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Russia Scraps over 40,000 Tanks
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July 12, 2009: Russia is cutting its tank force again, from 22,000 to about 6,000. Sixty percent of these 6,000 will be in storage. The remaining 16,000 tanks will be scrapped. Twenty years ago, the situation was quite different. At the end of the Cold War in 1991, Russia had about 53,000 tanks in service (about 40 percent of them relics from the 1950s, or earlier). Over the last two decades, some 30,000 tanks were scrapped. Back in 1991, about half of the tanks were of questionable serviceability and usefulness, but that still left the Russians with 25,000 modern tanks, ready to roll west. With the collapse of the Soviet Union, 80 percent of the five million troops were sent home, and, in the next decade, only a few hundred new tanks were purchased.

The current tank fleet has about 260 T-90s and 1,200 T-80s (a third in storage). These are roughly equal to early model U.S. M-1s. Most of the current Russian tanks are late model T-72s, some of them upgraded with excellent electronics (fire controls systems and thermal sights).

For the last decade, no matter how many tanks the Russians say they had, only a few thousand are ready to roll, and go into combat. In effect, Russia has lost the use of some 90 percent of its tanks since 1991. Back then, nearly all those 53,000 were assigned to a combat division. OK, most of those were reserve divisions, but if most of the reservists showed up in wartime, they would know how to get most of their tanks operational. That reserve system collapsed along with the Soviet Union, so now, the Russians have faced the fact that they can only get about 5,000 tanks operational on short notice. That's a big drop from the 1980s.

The Russian tank fleet is outnumbered by what NATO has available, and is only slightly larger than China's. As much as Russian commanders dislike this, they have finally faced the facts, and decided to retain only as many tanks as they can actually maintain and operate.

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sinoflex       7/12/2009 3:25:30 PM
When a Russian airborne division officer was interviewed by the BBC and asked why they did not employ the latest equipment like the BMP-4 when they invaded Georgia, he responded by saying that the best way to dispose of old gear was to have them destroyed in combat. 
 
I wonder how much ordnance has been stockpiled in Russia over the past 60+ years, all those bullets, shells, bombs and missiles.  There must be mountains of it. 
 
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Babeouf    Russian tanks   7/12/2009 4:17:07 PM
According to the figures given  by the Moscow Defense Briefing in  2008 Russia produced more tanks than anywhere else in the world. There production figures paint a very different story to yours. Of much more significance is the fact
that Russian tanks now employ night vision devices made by the French firm Thales( most of these tanks are for export).
It opens the possibility of closer cooperation between European and Russian manufactures in weapons production.
This can only happen if both sides have  written the other off as a potential enemy. That is of course incorporates the logic on which the EU was founded. The reaction of the government of the USA  to these developments  will become clear when it makes its decision on the European missiles public.
 
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Vulture       7/12/2009 7:19:12 PM

According to the figures given  by the Moscow Defense Briefing in  2008 Russia produced more tanks than anywhere else in the world.
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This can only happen if both sides have  written the other off as a potential enemy. That is of course incorporates the logic on which the EU was founded. ...

So they sold a bunch of tanks to India that year.  Just how many did their own russian army acquire?  yeah thought so.
 
And France is not a NATO member, and has historically sold rope to bind itself in future conflicts.
And I don't see EU logic involved since Russia has opposed EU membership for for former Soviet states.
 
Seriously stop drinking the kool aid of World Peace and focus on what actuall is happening in the Russan Army.
 
 
 
/does Herc have sock puppets now or a fan club?
 
 
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cwDeici       7/12/2009 10:18:28 PM




According to the figures given  by the Moscow Defense Briefing in  2008 Russia produced more tanks than anywhere else in the world.

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This can only happen if both sides have  written the other off as a potential enemy. That is of course incorporates the logic on which the EU was founded. ...




So they sold a bunch of tanks to India that year.  Just how many did their own russian army acquire?  yeah thought so.


 

And France is not a NATO member, and has historically sold rope to bind itself in future conflicts.

And I don't see EU logic involved since Russia has opposed EU membership for for former Soviet states.


 

Seriously stop drinking the kool aid of World Peace and focus on what actuall is happening in the Russan Army.


 

 

 

/does Herc have sock puppets now or a fan club?


 

I agree and Thales is a shit company (though their night vision might be ok), but France is actually a NATO member, I'm sure you mean that they weren't a part of the integrated command until they rejoined recently.
On a different note I don't see how missile defense systems against Iran that can be used against Russian nukes is any threat to Russia. Russia had plenty of chances to invade Western Europe with massive forces, and only downgraded when they had to.
Now the coin has been flipped and we've shown Russia no aggression unless you figure being friendly to your neighbors is considered 'aggressive'.
 
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WarNerd       7/13/2009 3:15:42 AM

According to the figures given  by the Moscow Defense Briefing in  2008 Russia produced more tanks than anywhere else in the world. There production figures paint a very different story to yours. Of much more significance is the fact that Russian tanks now employ night vision devices made by the French firm Thales( most of these tanks are for export).
It opens the possibility of closer cooperation between European and Russian manufactures in weapons production.

This can only happen if both sides have  written the other off as a potential enemy. That is of course incorporates the logic on which the EU was founded. The reaction of the government of the USA  to these developments  will become clear when it makes its decision on the European missiles public.

Are the Thales sights being used on tanks in Russia, or just the export models?
If only the export models, are the sights being installed in Russia, or outside of Russia by the end user or a third party?
There is a big difference.
 
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razputin       7/13/2009 5:19:17 PM
You guys are just silly. Why would we invade Europe? Maybe baltic states. Maybe. But that would certainly not look good from a PR standpoint. Unless estonians line up russian speaking noncitizens on the man square in Talinn and start shooting them wearing SS uniforms (which is not going to happen))). But even then the Western media would still make us Russians somehow responsible for it)) "Liberating europe" using tanks is a thing of the past. Economy and energy are the new equivalent of tank armadas. And are much less intrusive and much more effective from PR point of view))
 
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kirby1       7/14/2009 11:08:19 PM
Russia is not the enemy any more. Get over it. I for one really wish we were friends. Well, not so much friends as business partners.  It'd be nice to tap some of that sweet sweet siberian oil, and tell the whole middle east to go pound sand every time they get all butthurt and start threatening an embargo.
 
I understand ya'lls waxing rhapsodic about the good old cold war days. I too miss the days when we had an enemy who didn't believe that he'd get 72 virgins and a mule if we managed to off him. Who's paranoia and fear was merely equal to our own. Who much prefered sending out spies to suicide bombers. An enemy who wouldn't cut off his own nose to spite his face. Those days were kind of nice, but are now unfortunately over.
 
So yeah, can't we all just get along?  If not, can we at least turn our paranoia and bitterness over to China?
 
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usajoe1    Joking right?   7/15/2009 12:44:36 AM
 
Russia is not the enemy any more. Get over it. I for one really wish we were friends. Well, not so much friends as business partners.  It'd be nice to tap some of that sweet sweet siberian oil, and tell the whole middle east to go pound sand every time they get all butthurt and start threatening an embargo.

As long as the criminals that run the Russian government today remain in power, and as long as Russia remains an totalitarian regime that is run by those same criminals, we can't be true freinds, or real business partners. I would love nothing more then to see a modern, democratic, strong and economically powerful Russia, which has a respect for the rull of law, and is a true partner to the west, But I'm sad to say this is not going to happen any time soon.
 
I understand ya'lls waxing rhapsodic about the good old cold war days. I too miss the days when we had an enemy who didn't believe that he'd get 72 virgins and a mule if we managed to off him. Who's paranoia and fear was merely equal to our own. Who much prefered sending out spies to suicide bombers. An enemy who wouldn't cut off his own nose to spite his face. Those days were kind of nice, but are now unfortunately over.

Kind of nice? your joking right? Yah i'm sure living in a world of a constant threat of nuclear war was nice. I'm going to ask my parents and see if they miss the Cuban missile crises, Vietnam and all the other great times the cold war producedhttp://www.strategypage.com/CuteSoft_Client/CuteEditor/Images/emsmileo.gif" align="absMiddle" border="0" alt="" />
 

So yeah, can't we all just get along?  If not, can we at least turn our paranoia and bitterness over to China?
 
What paranoia and bitterness?
 
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Nasty German Idiot       7/17/2009 9:27:52 AM
Hehe, I read the Russians scrapped another one ^^
 
Russia: Drunk crew crashes tank into house
 
By Stephanie Kennedy reports from London

Posted 26 minutes ago

A Russian tank crashed through a villager's house after the crew stopped to buy more vodka at a nearby shop.

Footage from a mobile phone camera showed the tank hitting a corner of the house and a laughing, and apparently drunk, driver awkwardly trying to clamber aboard with two bottles of vodka.

"Get him out of the tank," screamed a woman in the village in the Urals.

The army promised to pay compensation and said the tank must have been broken and fallen behind a column heading to a test site for exercises. Earlier it said the vehicle slid on melting ice.

"Of course, there were violations but the crew acted in good faith to catch up with its unit," said Colonel Konstantin Lazutkin, spokesman for Russia's Volga-Urals Military District.

"Thank God, they didn't shoot," the house owner said on the video.
 
 
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