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February 12, 2009: Noting the ease with which terrorists can fake the usual picture ID, the Department of Defense is going to use its extensive battlefield experience with biometrics to create a new form of government ID that is a lot more difficult to falsify.

All this began during the war against terrorists in Iraq. Early on in the war on terror, the Department of Defense adopted many practices that major police departments take for granted. One of the more useful techniques is biometrics. That is, every time the troops encounter a "person of interest", they don't just take their name and address, they also use portable electronic tools to take fingerprints, a retinal scan and photos. All this is stored in a database, which eventually contained hundreds of thousands of records for Iraqis, Afghans, and other "persons of interest".

The fingerprints are particularly useful, because when they are stored electronically, you can search and find out immediately if the print you have just lifted from somewhere else, like off the fragment of a car bomb, is in there or not. The digital photos, from several angles, are also useful, because these pictures are run through software that creates a numeric "ID" that can be used by security cameras to look for some one specific, or for finding someone from a witness description. Other nations are digitizing their mug shots, and this enables these people to be quickly checked against those in the American database.

For decades, the U.S. military has regularly collected huge amounts of information from accidents, or even combat encounters. So now, it's no surprise that forensics teams examine each bombing (car or roadside) and combat scene, to see if they can get fingerprints. Often bomb makers are found this way, because raids frequently encounter suspicious characters, but no evidence that can lock them up. It only takes about two minutes per subject to take the biometric data, so any suspicious characters are added to the database. Now, after several years of this, raiding parties know to grab any guy who seems to panic at the sight of the biometrics equipment coming out. The terrorists know that biometrics is bad news for them, and they fear it.

Combat troops now get training on how to use the biometrics gear, and everyone now accepts that this stuff is a powerful weapon in the war against terrorists. Shifting this expertise to creating very difficult-to-fake Ids is not a large leap.

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trenchsol    DNA sample   2/12/2009 10:20:40 AM
What about DNA samples ? When terrorist  corpse is encountered, it is often identified  by DNA.  Someone told me that DNA  samples  are collected when suspect is arrested. The data is shared between agencies across the world. What are law enforcement officers doing, are they taking a blood sample, piece of skin, or what ? Are there more discrete ways to do that ?

For example, a Serbian war criminal was arrested last year, ex. police chief from around city of Banja Luka. He denied his true identity, but they identified him by DNA sample. Since he was a police chief, it is likely that he has not been arrested in the past. Where did they get the original sample from ? 

DG
 
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FlyingDutchman       2/12/2009 5:09:17 PM

What about DNA samples ? When terrorist  corpse is encountered, it is often identified  by DNA.  Someone told me that DNA  samples  are collected when suspect is arrested. The data is shared between agencies across the world. What are law enforcement officers doing, are they taking a blood sample, piece of skin, or what ? Are there more discrete ways to do that ?





For example, a Serbian war criminal was arrested last year, ex. police chief from around city of Banja Luka. He denied his true identity, but they identified him by DNA sample. Since he was a police chief, it is likely that he has not been arrested in the past. Where did they get the original sample from ? 


DG


When it comes to taking of DNA, you'd often need some sort of valid suspection of an individual before you'd be allowed to take DNA without permission. Or some other legal objection to taking DNA.
 
Regarding the police chief; wouldn't they be able to find that out through the former Yugoslavian databanks, with him being a civil servant and all?

 
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ker       2/12/2009 7:46:56 PM

What about DNA samples ? When terrorist  corpse is encountered, it is often identified  by DNA.  Someone told me that DNA  samples  are collected when suspect is arrested. The data is shared between agencies across the world. What are law enforcement officers doing, are they taking a blood sample, piece of skin, or what ? Are there more discrete ways to do that ?

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DG


Discrete ways of taking DNA from prisoners abound.  It's easier to not test the person (cheek swab, pulled hairs) but to test objects (drinking cup, wrist ties) the person has contacted.

 
I think I remember people using analysis of Y chromosome to identify family background.  So they could go to a family head and tell him that his grandsons and their cousins were bleeding on attack sites.  It takes some of the fun out of holy war.
 
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trenchsol       2/13/2009 9:45:23 AM


Regarding the police chief; wouldn't they be able to find that out through the former Yugoslavian databanks, with him being a civil servant and all?


I don't know much about the suspect, but he was probably member of police force before the breakup of Yugoslavia. I don't believe that such databanks existed in former Yugoslavia, but I am not sure. Yugoslavia ceased to exist in early 90's of last century, and it wasn't particularly advanced country in many aspects.

DG

 
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fokoyukodansu    no amount of security   10/10/2009 1:44:03 PM
no amount of security the kgb presumed to have a big database over its own citizens
if  security is missused no amount of database over every one will ever help security .
Every one becomes a suspect no body is giving the state signals any more over the colapse of the state
the biggest treat off security will be betrayel by the ones who observe it .
 
 
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