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February 6, 2009: Kyrgyzstan has ordered the U.S. to leave the Manas air base it has been using (to support operations in Afghanistan) for the last seven years. This came about after Russia made a financial offer that Kyrgyzstan could not refuse. Russia has never been happy with U.S. aircraft operating in a Kyrgyz (former Soviet, actually) airbase. But Kyrgyzstan successfully played the old Cold War aid game, where some third country that both the U.S. and Russia wanted something from, would basically hold an auction to determine which superpower would get their way. Russia is no longer a superpower, but it does remember how to conduct itself in one of these auctions.

Russia's winning offer consisted of forgiving $180 million in debt, giving an interest free loan of $150 million (these usually don't get paid back) and a real loan worth $2 billion. Three years ago Kyrgyzstan tried to get the U.S. to increase payments for use of the 2,500 acre Manas air base, from $5 million, to $50 million a year. Local politicians had already  developed a feeding frenzy around the rich Americans. The U.S. offered more money, but not nearly as much as the Russians eventually offered

Russian efforts to get the U.S. out of Kyrgyzstan were interrupted four years ago when the then leader of Kyrgyzstan, pro-Russian president Askar Akayev, was driven out of power by mass demonstrations protesting government attempts to rig recent parliamentary elections. The opposition had seized the commercial airport outside the capital, where it was believed that a Russian airliner was waiting there to take Akayev and his family into exile. Akayev later showed up in neighboring Kazakhstan. The new leader of Kyrgyzstan, Kurmanbek Bakiyev, took a while to get to, and forced the Russians to pay a high price to get a few dozen U.S. and NATO aircraft out of Manas airbase.

Russia considers the Central Asian nations, that used to be provinces of the Soviet Union, as more than just neighbors. But these five countries are all run, as dictatorships, by former Soviet bureaucrats. This arrangement is not popular with most Central Asians, and Kyrgyzstan had the most vocal population protesting the lack of democracy. Russia, learning from the beating it took in Ukraine, where it backed a dictator in the face of a popular democratic uprising, did not speak up for Akayev, and promptly tried to get cozy with a new government in Kyrgyzstan. The opposition that overthrew Akayev did not contain a lot of Islamic radicals (who believe the country should be run as an Islamic state). The Kyrgyz democrats see Islamic radicalism as a hostile force, and were willing to continue cooperation between Russia and Kyrgyzstan against Islamic terrorists. However, many Russians believe that the United States is behind the ouster of Akayev, via pro-democratic NGOs and American business investments in Kyrgyzstan.

Ultimately, however, Kyrgyzstan sold out to the Russians because they desperately needed the money. Kyrgyzstan is a poor country, and the current global recession is making things worse. Meanwhile, Russia is still eager to have American and NATO cargo get shipped via Russia to Afghanistan. This is a money maker for Russia, which gets prime rates for moving these cargo containers. The U.S. believes it can convince Kyrgyzstan and Russia to let American continue to use Manas to some extent. Money will no doubt change hands. There might even be cheers.
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razputin       2/6/2009 12:24:31 PM
Ahh that must really hurt pentagon strategists))
 
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Slim Pickinz       2/6/2009 5:47:12 PM
A valuable air base in Central Asia, and a jumpoff point for operations into Chinese territory, has been lost. Are there any US military installations left in the area? I know the Air Force left Karshi-Khanabad in 2005, but what about Kazakhstan?
 
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razputin       2/6/2009 6:21:00 PM

A valuable air base in Central Asia, and a jumpoff point for operations into Chinese territory, has been lost. Are there any US military installations left in the area? I know the Air Force left Karshi-Khanabad in 2005, but what about Kazakhstan?

Forget kazakhstan. Russia owns Nazarbayev and he will not dare to make any moves without kremlin's approval.
 
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jwilly48519       2/6/2009 8:52:33 PM
Containers and air freight are no big deal. The Russians will move in, and they'll handle them for a fee.
But, from where will we fly refueling tankers now?
 
Hey, maybe we can make a deal with the Persians. We'll organize a cooperative effort with them to whack the Afghan drug culture if they'll let us borrow an airbase to stomp the Taliban.
 
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trenchsol       2/6/2009 10:23:37 PM
What's wrong with Bagram base ?
 
DG

 
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Nichevo       2/6/2009 11:41:30 PM
Looking at my globe I find...I need a new globe!  Mine has Burma, Bombay, no shipping route distances, and faded color. 
 
But briefly, you may not appreciate the distances involved.
 
 
I wonder who gets the armored vehicles when we leave.  Obama is going to plus-up 30K men in AF with those SLOCs?  Rotsa ruck.
 
 
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Nichevo       2/6/2009 11:48:36 PM

Containers and air freight are no big deal. The Russians will move in, and they'll handle them for a fee.


But, from where will we fly refueling tankers now?

 

Hey, maybe we can make a deal with the Persians. We'll organize a cooperative effort with them to whack the Afghan drug culture if they'll let us borrow an airbase to stomp the Taliban.

Let's just nuke the site from orbit, it's the only way to be sure.
 
Funny the Russians are so afraid of us - I admit my first reaction is to find a stick to beat them with - what stick?  How could we lean on the Russians?  They are fricking safe from us, don't they get it?
 
I guess we could always start knocking off 'Stans dictators till we roll sevens on one of 'em.  Apparently one Stan is as good as another?
 
 
 
Hmmm...
 
How about Tibet, Nepal, (Bhutan?), China?
 
 
Have we covered Tajikstan?  Dushanbe would seem ideal.
 
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jak267       2/7/2009 12:53:08 AM
Kyrgyzstan decided to become a Neo-Soviet Russia client state because they know that OBie won't stand up to anyone - and so does both Eastern and Western Europe. Cold War II is already over and we lost.
 
 
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razputin       2/9/2009 6:22:45 PM




Containers and air freight are no big deal. The Russians will move in, and they'll handle them for a fee.






But, from where will we fly refueling tankers now?



 



Hey, maybe we can make a deal with the Persians. We'll organize a cooperative effort with them to whack the Afghan drug culture if they'll let us borrow an airbase to stomp the Taliban.




Let's just nuke the site from orbit, it's the only way to be sure.

 

Funny the Russians are so afraid of us - I admit my first reaction is to find a stick to beat them with - what stick?  How could we lean on the Russians?  They are fricking safe from us, don't they get it?

 

I guess we could always start knocking off 'Stans dictators till we roll sevens on one of 'em.  Apparently one Stan is as good as another?


 

 

 

Hmmm...

 

How about Tibet, Nepal, (Bhutan?), China?


 

 

Have we covered Tajikstan?  Dushanbe would seem ideal.


After the war in georgia no central asian state that was formerly part of the USSR will risk doing anything silly like allowing a US base on its territory. The only reason you were allowed one in the first place was because Putin calculated that by allowing you having the bases Russia could count on US will halt NATO's eastward expansion. You got the bases and the NATO expansion never stopped. You can forget all about central asia now. Period.
 
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