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Entrepreneurial Justice In Afghanistan
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June 30, 2011: A major problem in Afghanistan is the failure of the Afghan justice system, and Afghan insistence that foreign troops use it anyway. Currently, only about ten percent of Islamic terror suspects captured by foreign troops are prosecuted, and only half of those are convicted. Those arrested who can afford to bribe their way out, or have someone who can intimidate the right people, never get convicted. When dealing with Afghan police and troops, the terrorists can often arrange a bribe, and freedom, on the spot.

There is also less opportunity for foreign troops to interrogate captured terror suspects. Since Obama replaced Bush as president, the U.S. has greatly reduced the interrogation of captured terrorists. Since then, these interrogations only get done, if at all, in Iraq and Afghanistan. The U.S. no longer captures Islamic terrorists in other countries, much less interrogates them. Instead, the U.S. has increased its use of missiles to kill Islamic terrorists wherever they are found. Even raids of suspected terrorist hideouts now result in more enemy deaths than in the past. It seems to be understood that, if you take them alive, you will not be able to get them to talk (or even an opportunity to try) and that the suspects will walk.

Other countries still capture major terrorists (often with the help of multimillion dollar U.S. rewards, which are still good) and torture useful information out of the bad guys. The U.S. quietly takes advantage of this information, although it's the official U.S. position that torture does not work. The historical record says otherwise, but that's an issue that is simply not discussed in the U.S. anymore.

All this is because Obama got elected, in part, by criticizing the Bush policy of using intense interrogation (called torture by Obama supporters), and Obama ordered that there be no more of that sort of thing. To further make the point, the U.S. government continues an investigation aimed at identifying CIA personnel who could be prosecuted for torture during the Bush years. Thus American intelligence personnel are reluctant to use torture unless they have written orders from very senior people to do so.

In addition, Afghanistan was ordered to take over the interrogation and prosecution of Islamic terrorists captured by American troops in Afghanistan. The rule was that these captured terrorists were now a police matter that the Afghan judicial system could handle. The Afghans have 96 hours to either indict and take custody of the suspect, or the suspect was set loose by the Americans. The U.S. had the option to take custody after 96 hours, but that meant sending the terrorists to an American prison at Baghram, and this was discouraged by the U.S. government except in extreme cases. Thus even a Taliban suicide bomber, captured after his bomb vest failed to go off, got cut loose after 96 hours. The basic problem is that the Afghan judicial system is very thin on the ground, and prosecutors and jailors are easily bribed or intimidated. This sort of thing has been bad for morale in Afghanistan, especially since troops are discouraged from just killing terrorists caught in the act, if there is any chance of taking them alive.

When questioned on these policies, U.S. government officials promise changes and insist they are monitoring the situation.

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myhandlewontfi    Torture is good ????!!!   7/1/2011 10:52:33 AM
I dont get it. In my book torture is bad. Who cares if it works, All the info gotten from abu ghraib could not possibly have made up for the media beating the USA took. I would not want to live in a country that tortures people, and fortunately I dont. It aint a matter of practical things it is the matter of that I have to live with my conscience. I know it works, and I can understand why some people want to use it, but not me.
 
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really!    torture is just revenge   7/2/2011 9:36:21 PM
This article is arguing that torture is good because it works and gets needed intelligence but we are doing less of it because of some no good politicion.
 
Another article on this same site argues that more terrorist leaders are being killed because better intelligence gathering is helping to identify who they are and where they live.
 
Sounds to me like you can be effective against terrorists without the need to waste time on revenge beatings.
 
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Tucci78    Revenge? Not needed.   7/3/2011 12:17:03 PM

 Sounds to me like you can be effective against terrorists without the need to waste time on revenge beatings.

The objective of prisoner interrogations isn't "revenge" but information which can be acted upon to improve your own effectiveness.  The point made in this article is that if such interrogation methods are forbidden by way of our Mombasa Messiah's quest for the seeming of political correctness, then the only real option left is to simply kill these enemies out of hand.
 
Faced with the fact that a catch-and-release alternative yeilds very, very bad publicity, the "Liberal" fascist elective has been to "leave no eye open to weep."  
 
This is how we got Obambi's "kill him and dump the body in the ocean" order for dealing with Osama bin Laden, who was caught unarmed and helpless by the SEAL team raiders.
 
Just because Barry is a clueless, worthless, traitorous fraudulence criminally occupying the Oval Office doesn't mean that he isn't true to his roots as a Cook County Machine political thug.  
 
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Hamilcar21       7/3/2011 2:31:22 PM

I dont get it. In my book torture is bad. Who cares if it works, All the info gotten from abu ghraib could not possibly have made up for the media beating the USA took. I would not want to live in a country that tortures people, and fortunately I dont. It aint a matter of practical things it is the matter of that I have to live with my conscience. I know it works, and I can understand why some people want to use it, but not me.

It depends. Interrogation takes time. WAR is time intensive. Information now is the imperative when the need is for actionable intelligence..

If it works, who cares? War has its own morality that some damned Harvard lawyer does not understand because he does not have lives that depend on his immediate decisions that he cares about or concerns himself with. Abstracts don't die when he screws up. But .PEOPLE do, unfortunately.

Which is why the current hypocrite-in-chief is perfectly willing to let non-Americans do the dirty work and use the information they produce.


   

 

 


 
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phrank       7/3/2011 4:00:15 PM
I think part of what you do to the person you are holding depends some on what you think he might know. Most of the people against torture I wonder if they were holding there family would they feel the same. There is always a debate about what is torture and what isn't. Some would say having someone locked up with no outside time or seeing anyone is torture. Then there are the other side that would say he is still alive so we didn't go to far. I think the threat can dictate some of what you are willing to do to the person.
 
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