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Type 214 Stumbles Into Greece
   

December 11, 2006: Greece is learning that it's not a good idea to be the first customer for a new weapon design. Greece is buying four Type 214 submarines from Germany. The first one just arrived from Germany, and the Greeks quickly found themselves with a list of 400 defects. The other three 214s are being built in Greece, and the first one of those is about ready for launch. Everyone is nervous.

When the Germans first heard of the complaints, they thought it was politics. A new Greek government has just been installed, and it was common for such a new crew, to try and make the previous gang look bad. But apparently the 1,700 ton, 214 class boats, or at least the first one, do have some problems. The most serious one is that, when traveling on the surface, the boat rolls excessively in bad weather. This could be disastrous, as the waters off Greece, in the Winter, are quite rough. 

The air-independent propulsion (AIP) system does not work as promised. The output power is less than specified, and the fuel cells overheat, and must be shut down, after several hours of operation. This could a result of operating in the warmer Mediterranean. The Germans designed, and used, their AIP system in the cooler waters of the North Sea. 

The propellers are noisy, and the periscope vibrates when the boat is traveling faster than five kilometers an hour. There are leaks, and some equipment doesn't work, or work as specified. The Germans believe that some of the problems cannot be fixed, which could turn into a real disaster for the German manufacturer, HDW. While the Type 214 boats are similar to earlier Type 212 and Type 209 models, there are a number of new design elements on the 214s. Korea has six of the 214s on order, and that might change if the Greek problems do not get resolved.


  

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Dreadnought    Rumours about the 214   2/23/2007 9:20:26 AM
As someone involved with the 214's I am amazed that you would print totally unsubstaniated and untrue allegations. The first boat is on proving trials and these trials are held to sort out and fine tune the systems. The leak referred to was a very minor leak of salt water into the hydraulic syetem which entered through a coupling under the casing. This has now been resolved by tightening up the union! The sensor on the fuel cell have now been adjusted and she recently completed a 12 day underwater passage with no problems, in fact she exceeded her design speicification. The periscope vibaration was simply fixed by means of a turdy bracket and the rolling was not excessive. As any submariner will tell you ( and I am one) all submarines roll like pigs on the surface and a 30 degree roll is not at all unusual. Submarines have no bilge keels and the only lateral surface which tend to counteract rolling are the for'd nd aft planes and as these are of a relartively small area they do not contribute much to rolling stability. I have sailed on both diesel  and Nuclear boats and believe me none of them are comfortable on the surface in any kind of weather stat over force 4. The first Greek built boat  (pipinios)was lowered into the water last week (15th Feb) and all went perfectly and she is now alogside the wall for final fitting out. Meanwhile the Kiel built boat has just completed a series of trials with HN personnel on board who were all very satisfied with the trials and can't wait to take it over.
 
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Herald1234    Sounds about right.   2/23/2007 9:50:25 AM
Given some of the recent goofy inaccurate stuff, I've been reading about things of which I have some knowledge, showing up in SP articles, I'm not surprised . It might be necessary to obtain a fact checker to edit the articles, and/or to verify the more outrageous claims published.

Herald

 
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scuttlebut steve    herald right, need factchecked articles   2/23/2007 11:27:30 AM
I dont have inside knowledge of this program like [dreadnought], but the fact that one of the "serious problems" indicated was bad rolling when surfaced shows how little the author knows about subs.  Put any sub, including my 6000 ton Los Angeles sub on the surface in even moderately bad weather and they roll like crazy.....any nonsubmariner reading this article should believe what dreadnought posted above.
 
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