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December 4, 2011: Russia has begun construction of its second "Improved Kilo" class diesel-electric submarine. These are mostly for the export market, although the Russian Navy is buying a few more of this improved model as well. The Kilos weigh 2,300 tons (surface displacement), have six torpedo tubes and a crew of 57. They are quiet, and can travel about 700 kilometers under water at a quiet speed of about five kilometers an hour. Kilos carry 18 torpedoes or SS-N-27 anti-ship missiles (with a range of 300 kilometers and launched underwater from the torpedo tubes.) The combination of quietness and cruise missiles makes Kilo very dangerous to American carriers. But for the Russians, their Kilos are mostly for home defense. Nuclear subs are used for the long distance work. The successor to the Kilo, the Lada, underwent three years of sea trials before they were declared fit for service two years ago. One has been built and another is under construction and eight are planned. The problem with the Lada is that it is not enough of an improvement on the latest Kilo to attract any export orders.

The Kilo class boats entered service in the early 1980s. Russia only bought 24 of them, but exported over 30. It was considered a successful design, especially with export customers. But just before the Cold War ended in 1991, the Soviet Navy began work on the Lada. This project was stalled during most of the 1990s by a lack of money, but was revived in the last decade.

The Ladas have six 533mm torpedo tubes, with 18 torpedoes and/or missiles carried. The Lada has a surface displacement of 1,750 tons, are 71 meters (220 feet) long and carry a crew of 38. Each crewmember has their own cabin (very small for the junior crew, but still, a big morale boost). When submerged, the submarine can cruise at a top speed of about 39 kilometers an hour (half that on the surface) and can dive to about 250 meters (800 feet). The Lada can stay at sea for as long as 50 days, and the sub can travel as much as 10,000 kilometers using its diesel engine (underwater, via the snorkel). Submerged, using battery power alone, the Lada can travel about 450 kilometers. There is also an electronic periscope (which goes to the surface via a cable), that includes a night vision capability and a laser range finder. The Lada was designed to accept a AIP (air independent propulsion) system. Russia was long a pioneer in AIP design, but in the last decade, Western European nations have taken the lead. Construction on the first Lada began in 1997, but money shortages delayed work for years. The first Lada boat was finally completed in 2005. A less complex version, called the Amur, is being offered for export.

The Ladas are designed to be fast attack and scouting boats. They are intended for anti-surface and anti-submarine operations as well as naval reconnaissance. These boats are said to be eight times quieter than the Kilos. This was accomplished by using anechoic (sound absorbing) tile coatings on the exterior, and a very quiet (skewed) propeller. All interior machinery was designed with silence in mind. The sensors include active and passive sonars, including towed passive sonar.

Russia has 17 Kilos in service (and six in reserve) and six Improved Kilos on order. More than that is on order from foreign customers, and efforts to sell the Lada continue.

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RtWingCon    what?   12/4/2011 10:22:09 PM
Lada is eight times quieter than a Kilo, has 40% less crew, carries same compliment of torpedoes but that wasn't enough of an improvement for export? Or does the "Improved Kilo" incorporate all the advances of the LAda? Maybe  they have crappy salespeople if they can't sell a Lada over a Kilo. Does anyone know if Russian subs are built by one yard or are the Kilo and Lada built by competing yards?
 
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Thomas       12/4/2011 11:24:03 PM

Lada is eight times quieter than a Kilo, has 40% less crew, carries same compliment of torpedoes but that wasn't enough of an improvement for export? Or does the "Improved Kilo" incorporate all the advances of the LAda? Maybe  they have crappy salespeople if they can't sell a Lada over a Kilo. Does anyone know if Russian subs are built by one yard or are the Kilo and Lada built by competing yards?

I sort of wondered the same thing. Something does not add up.
 
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expatriate German       12/5/2011 2:27:21 AM
I would guess they are still tough sales compared to international competition (Swedish, French, German...).
Travelling quietly at 5km an hour seems very slow. Is that correct?
 
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gf0012-aust       12/5/2011 3:19:51 AM

Travelling quietly at 5km an hour seems very slow. Is that correct?

It's a pretty bad sub if its travelling at 5knots and is acting like a transducer.and you go that slow for a reason, ie 

you travel slow for a particular mission set, so in context its correct. as marketing spin to sell the product, well, it won't impress submariners as it should be able to do it anyway.  it's a bit like saying "this 4wd has 4 wheels and a transfer case so it's a good 4wd".  knock yourself out selling that one to a submariner

the knickname we used for a Kilo was "Kelvinator", so 8 times quieter aint that grand (relatvely speaking and using the Kilo as the baseline)


 
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LB       12/5/2011 3:30:47 AM
Actually they build both in the same  yard and both are designed by the same Russian bureau.  It's seems to be taking a while for the Lada to shake out.  They've only got one in service and they did 5 years of testing on it before handing over to the navy in 2010.  The Kilo is a proven design.  It's not clear exactly how much different or improved the Lada is?  Also Kilo is double hulled while the Lada has a single hull and while it might be efficient the Lada has less than half the horsepower of the slightly larger Kilo.  I'm pretty sure the Kilo is marginally faster, not that this matters very much, but it's possible the Kilo is a better sea boat.
 
For whoever asked, yes 5km an hour is very slow, less than 3 knots.  That can be too slow for station keeping.  A Kilo snorkeling at 7 knots is going about 13 km an hour.  If 3 knots will do, however, slower means less draw on the batteries.
 
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FreeW       12/6/2011 4:52:32 PM
Ever  since Soviet times, Russian's first line of defense has been brochure-ware. If you take at face value everything they claim, I guess you know either very little or nothing about this country.
 
 
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Dave_in_Pa       12/6/2011 9:54:41 PM
Why on earth buy those when you can buy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_212_submarine">these... instead?
 
Historically, it's the Germans who've built the best conventional boats.
 
As far as what gf0012-aust said, I know a retired US Navy submariner, a former Chief-of-the-Boat, who tells me from personal knowledge that for all of the Cold War, US Navy boats could relatively easily find and track Russian boats, even their nuke boats.  The Russians never mastered quiet design near as well as we and the Brits did, nor did their sonar measure up to ours or that of the Brits. They were always a generation behind us and the Brits. This is what I've been told from one who's been there, done that and has the T-shirt.
 
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