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February 12, 2010: Islamic terrorism comes in many different forms. Christian Filipino workers in Saudi Arabia are complaining that their employers are threatening to fire them if they do not convert to Islam. It's against the law for a Moslem in Saudi Arabia to convert to another religion. The punishment is death, and anyone attempting to convert Moslems is subject to the death penalty. This sort of double standard, and use of coercion, is a big deal in the Philippines, although the government there, and in Saudi Arabia, try to play down this particular problem. There are about 200,000 Filipinos working in Saudi Arabia, and 600,000 throughout the Persian Gulf. The forced conversions are not widespread, yet. But several hundred are believed to have occurred, and the idea is catching on with employers who are conservative Moslems.

This sort of thing is political dynamite back in the Philippines because there, the Moslems are a minority, and a troublesome one at that. Various Moslem separatist groups have been fighting since the 1960s, and over 100,000 (mostly Moslems) have died. The fighting in the south is not only rebels versus the government, but also the many clan and political feuds that are common down there. The Moslem south is more violent than the rest of the country. And then there is the matter of proportion. Only about ten percent of the 92 million Filipinos are Moslem. The Christians dominate the government and the security forces.

Peace negotiations with Moslem separatist groups (mainly the MILF) in the south are currently stalled because of frictions within the Moslem community. Some factions want to work out a peace deal, but others want to keep fighting for a separate Moslem state on part of Mindanao island (the southernmost large island). The problem is, Moslems are only about a third of 22 million people on Mindanao island (the "Moslem" island). The rest are Christians, who do not want to share the island with an independent, or even autonomous, Moslem state. This is especially the case when they hear about forced conversions in Saudi Arabia.

Moreover, most of the Moslem population is intermixed with Christians, and the most radical Moslems want the Christians expelled. Thus the haggling is mainly over real estate. The Moslems in the south still claim "ancestral rights" (to administer, and collect taxes from) many areas that have become largely Christian in the past few decades. The Christian majority has been encroaching, on the sparsely populated areas of the Moslem south, for over a century. But this movement has accelerated as the economy has improved in the last decade. Many Moslems see their culture threatened, but armed resistance has not done much to help. The Moslems are very outnumbered, and have been losing battles for decades.

Remittances from the nine percent of Filipinos who work overseas and send money home are a crucial part of the national economy. In effect, over 20 percent of the workforce works abroad, sending home money that amounts to about ten percent of GDP. Filipinos are very popular overseas workers (because of their energy, skills and ability to speak English). There are no jobs at home for all this talent because of the corruption (the Philippines is among the ten most corrupt nations, out of 180 surveyed regularly) that stifles economic growth. The Moslem south is arguably suffering more from corruption than the rest of the Philippines, and the Christians down there don't want forced conversions thrown into an already very explosive mixture.

 

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trenchsol       2/12/2010 6:40:26 AM
Why just Filipinos ? Is it because that they are supposed to be desperate to get a job ?
 
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WarNerd       2/12/2010 6:14:27 PM

Why just Filipinos ? Is it because that they are supposed to be desperate to get a job ? 


They are the largest single group, provide most of the workers in the lowliest job categories, and the Philippine government over the years has set up an extensive support network in the Gulf to protect their expats.  This means that they are the most likely to encounter the practice, the most vulnerable to it, and, IF they can report it to the Philippine Embassy, the ones mostly likely to generate a public complaint about the practice.
 
Some of the practices, mainly in Saudi Arabia, that the Philippine government has in recent years used public exposure to forced the government to crack down on amounted to slavery in all but name.  This is pretty tame by comparison, but also far to similar for comfort.
 
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cwDeici       2/12/2010 9:13:12 PM
Didn't stop them from nearly seceding their south to the muslims over political correctness and fear a few years back...
 
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cwDeici       2/12/2010 9:13:32 PM
... against the will of the south of course...
 
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cwDeici       2/12/2010 9:15:52 PM
Anyway my family has an Indonesian maid who happened to be Christian before she came. Her father was ok with her converting (a lot of Indonesians are, despite their moderate and extremist elements) since he was a pro-civil rights (left-wing) muslim.
Anyhoo, maids which I suppose are the dominant group of Phillipines working in the gul and around the world in general are easy to take advantage of all over the board. Plus forced conversions have always been all the rage with good muslims.
 
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ker       2/13/2010 11:38:54 AM
Forced conversions can cause funny after effects.  Changing the official religin of a person is a small part of the story.  The converts still half to work out their own practice and it is frequently changed more in theory than in practice.  The posibility exist that the converts end up practicing a new religion that is neather the one they had or the one their paper work claimes.  People may want to convert other to make points with their imam or to change administrative details about how the state treates the convert or to just make it easyer to keep an eye on them during prayers.  What kind of folk religin you get in the next generation is anybodys guess.  Think about the religious practices of West Africans exposed to christanity after being transported to the carabeain. 
 
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cwDeici       2/14/2010 7:21:41 AM

Forced conversions can cause funny after effects.  Changing the official religin of a person is a small part of the story.  The converts still half to work out their own practice and it is frequently changed more in theory than in practice.  The posibility exist that the converts end up practicing a new religion that is neather the one they had or the one their paper work claimes.  People may want to convert other to make points with their imam or to change administrative details about how the state treates the convert or to just make it easyer to keep an eye on them during prayers.  What kind of folk religin you get in the next generation is anybodys guess.  Think about the religious practices of West Africans exposed to christanity after being transported to the carabeain. 


I forgot about that. Thanks for reminding me of this consequence.
 
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gandalf    Not forced, just "convinced"   2/14/2010 8:45:39 PM
Let's not forget how the faith of Islam spread so quickly in the 10th Century in Africa.
 
"The status of Christians, Jews and Zoroastrians was more precisely defined, and in some ways it was inferior.
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In general they were not forced to convert, but they suffered from restrictions. They paid a special tax; they were not supposed to wear certain colors; they could not marry Muslim women;"

This is a direct parallel to what is happening today, not just to Filipino's, but to all non-Muslims.  Pay added taxes if you are not Muslim (10th century) = Risk the loss of your job if you don't convert (21st century).
 
It's a lousy situation to be in for all, any way you look at it.
 
As far as ceding away part of the country for peace and out of fear, concessions to the MILF (I http://www.strategypage.com/CuteSoft_Client/CuteEditor/Images/emcry.gif" align="absmiddle" border="0" alt="" /> when I see this acronym) have thankfully been avoided.  The ARMM (Autonomous Region of Muslim Mindanao) is a constitutionally recognized territory that has already carved out a chunk of the country (in a peace process with the MNLF).  Thankfully, it is under the constitutional umbrella and does not allow a separate legal framework or extend into the realm of national affairs (foreign affairs, national finance, defense).
 
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Architect       2/15/2010 7:16:12 PM

Let's not forget how the faith of Islam spread so quickly in the 10th Century in Africa.

 

"The status of Christians, Jews and Zoroastrians was more precisely
defined, and in some ways it was inferior.

...


In general they were not forced to convert, but they suffered from
restrictions. They paid a special tax; they were not supposed to wear
certain colors; they could not marry Muslim women;"




This is a direct parallel to what is happening today, not just to Filipino's, but to all non-Muslims.  Pay added taxes if you are not Muslim (10th century) = Risk the loss of your job if you don't convert (21st century).


 

It's a lousy situation to be in for all, any way you look at it.

 

As far as ceding away part of the country for peace and out of fear, concessions to the MILF (I http://www.strategypage.com/Images/emcry.gif" align="absmiddle" border="0" alt="" /> when I see this acronym) have thankfully been avoided.  The ARMM (Autonomous Region of Muslim Mindanao) is a constitutionally recognized territory that has already carved out a chunk of the country (in a peace process with the MNLF).  Thankfully, it is under the constitutional umbrella and does not allow a separate legal framework or extend into the realm of national affairs (foreign affairs, national finance, defense).


Sorry guys,  but there is some thing wrong wit a religion that needs to be maintained by force. It means it's base it's very weak. Their real concern it's because about 6 millions African Muslims convert freely to Christianity every year and they think it's just an issue of help or free food.

They don't wanna see the evident, and they want to go in to the XXI century with medieval behavior. 

See this interview in Al-Jazeerah.

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ZZMike    Embrace Islam   2/15/2010 10:59:55 PM
It is, after all, their country.  Any time the civilized world wants to embargo them back to the Middle Ages, they're perfectly welcome to do so.
 
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