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Subject: USMC and the british RMC
trikki    10/2/2004 1:22:05 PM
how come it take the Brits 32 weeks to turn out a marine whereas it only takes the usmc only 16 - surely it can't take that long to convert a british civilian into a decent soldier
 
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abn_rgr    RE:USMC and the british RMC   1/30/2005 8:41:16 PM
I ran across this thread completely accidentally but couldn't help but respond to the utter tripe that is Sam's message. First, the only people who can compete in the Best Ranger Competition are those who are Ranger qualified, regardless of which service or unit. Therefore, those who are eligible to compete have already met a pretty stringent prerequisite. And yes, many Marines have failed to complete the Ranger course, despite the fact that even attaining a slot to the school is competitive. Hence, the Marines who have participated are as fully trained up as anybody else attending. No team composed entirely of Marines has performed particularly well. Most have been outperformed by many 'regular Army schmoes' who are looked down upon by their Marine brethren. Ranger School is NOT a special operations course. It is a course designed to evaluate the individual's ability to lead small units, in the small unit direct fire battle, under all weather, light and terrain conditions. The tactics used are basic infantry tactics and the skill sets come straight out of Army manuals for infantry and common skills training. Yet this course is regarded so highly it is attended by all services to include Navy SEALs. As a matter of fact, it is a required qualification to become a Marine Force Recon Team Leader. BTW, the only Marine to have ever won the Best Ranger competition was a FR Marine who one it on his 3rd attempt while assigned as an intstructor in the School and teamed with a US Army Ranger Instructor. As I said, other Marines haven't done so well. The Ranger School is run by the Army Infantry School and is not under the command or direction of the Ranger Regt. The Ranger Bns are where "Ranger" or "commando" tactics are taught and used. To be permitted to join a Ranger Bn. and individual must first pass basic, infantry and airborne training. He will then take a crack at the indoc program, RIP, where only ~35% of those attending will pass. Unlike other commando-type units the train up from there does not involve an extensive school environment but in the Ranger Regt. the newly assigned soldier is trained at the unit level. There are positives and negatives to this approach to training. The selection continues during this period and half or more of those who survived RIP will be sent packing for one reason or another within the first 6-9 months. Along the way somewhere during his service, when the Ranger private has acquired the necessary leadership skills, he will attend the Ranger School. If he succeeds he will just keep continuing to train with his unit, if he doesn't he may very likely punted. Ranger School is just one of the many obstacles a new Ranger must overcome. As a matter of fact, many of those who arrive at Bn Ranger qualified already, can't hack it in a Ranger Bn. The fact Ranger qualified personnel from throughout the Army do well in the Best Ranger competition simply says that the Army on the whole also contains many fine soldiers and leaders. The Ranger will continue to improve and add to his skills the entire time he is in the Ranger Regt. He can be dropped formt he Bn during the entirety of his service in the Regt. This is dramatically unlike an MEU (SOC) which takes six months to train up on a set of mission tasks and maintains that "qualification" for six months. The selection aspect of the training is non-existent. In this regard, the Marine rifleman is much more akin to his Army grunt coutnerpart than a US Ranger.
 
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Worcester    RE:USMC and the british RMC - abn_rgr   2/2/2005 10:02:57 PM
Useful and interesting post. You may wish to visit the Armed Forces/US vs EU thread to meet another ranger buddy. Name of "gixxer king".
 
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Bluewings    RE:USMC and the british RMC - abn_rgr   2/4/2005 4:45:24 PM
lol .... Cheers .
 
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glenponder    USMC and the british RMC. Joining requirements?   2/8/2005 4:40:19 PM
just a question what are the minimum requirements to join either service?
 
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stewie griffin    RE:USMC and the british RMC. Joining requirements?   3/31/2005 12:36:28 AM
i can help with the RMC joining requirements, firstly you need to attend the PRMC (potential royal marine commando) selection course witch lasts 3 days and consists of Gym test's,swimming test's,high obstacle assault course and a 3 mile run in 22.5 mins (Piece of piss), however after completing this if you are offered a place the training wont be as easy as the selction process you should expect training such as The Endurance Course on Woodbury Common wich is a 6 mile course and includes a 2 mile course of tunnels (1 completely submerged in water) small lakes,streams,bogs,woods and a 4 mile road run back to camp, course must be completed in 72 mins (all of wich is completed in full combat order including rifles) then there is the 9 mile speed march wich is to be completed in 90 mins, the tarzan assault course must be completed in under 13 mins and includes a 30 ft wall, the hardest piece of training is the 30 mile march across Dartmoor wich must be completed in 8 hours, only then will you be able to join the Royal Marine Commandos and know you belong to one of the worlds most elite fighting forces.
 
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JCT    RE:USMC and the british RMC. USMC joining requirements?   3/31/2005 10:41:57 AM
Unfortunately, our requirements are no where as stringent as the Royal Marines. Requirements are a high school diploma (which can be waived with a GED), no history of psychological problems, and the ability to pass the Initial Strength test. It has been awhile since I was at MCRD San Diego, so I am not sure if this is correct, but it is something rather pathetic as 3 pull-ups, 40 crunches, and a 1.5mile run in a dismally slow time. What is astounding is the DI's ability to mold their recruits and produce Marines.
 
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lrsrng    RE:USMC and the british RMC   5/1/2005 8:33:59 AM
The David E Grange Best Ranger Compitition is only open to gaduates of the Ranger School.Even a Ranger serving with one of the three Ranger battions who has not been tabbed can not compete.All Marines,Special forces,and Infantrymen Who compete have gaduated from Ranger school and been awarded the Black and Gold.The USMC is an Outstanding organization that utilizes a lot of Army training resources,including Ranger School.
 
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jamesbaf       1/2/2007 10:27:27 AM
For the US Marines it's actually 13 weeks but the reason the Royal Marine training is 32 is because they want to make sure you are capable of doing what not even some special forces can do.The US Marines should have a training course which takes 32 weeks long because look at the Royal Marines.....they are some of the best and in some people's eyes they are classed as special forces.
 
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GOP       1/3/2007 10:30:50 AM

For the US Marines it's actually 13 weeks but the reason the Royal Marine training is 32 is because they want to make sure you are capable of doing what not even some special forces can do.The US Marines should have a training course which takes 32 weeks long because look at the Royal Marines.....they are some of the best and in some people's eyes they are classed as special forces.


You have no idea what you are talking about, do you? Royal Marines are highly trained Marines (as are US Marines, by the way), they should not be classed as "Special Forces" (I think you mean "Special Operations" as "Special Forces" only refers to US Army SF). Stop with the RM bs, OK.
It is you who said that most SEALs wouldn't be able to make it through RM Selection, it is you who said that you want the Royal Marine Commando's to take over an entire section of Baghdad, and it is you who is saying this.
 
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jamesbaf       2/2/2007 10:20:40 AM
Sod off GOP
 
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