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Subject: Mountain troops?
GOP    9/29/2005 7:25:12 PM
Does the USMC or US Army have any infantry units that specialize in mountain warfare?
 
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Herc the Merc    RE:Mountain troops?   9/29/2005 7:25:52 PM
They train in Alaska.
 
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Herc the Merc    RE:Mountain troops?   9/29/2005 7:30:12 PM
also training in Vermont, divisions like 10th mountain division.
 
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GOP    RE:Mountain troops?   9/29/2005 7:38:31 PM
I have heard (from posters on SP) that the 10th mountain div is actually a light infantry division and only keeps the 10th mountain name out of tradition
 
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AlbanyRifles    RE:Mountain troops?   9/30/2005 8:57:46 AM
The U S Army does not have specific conventional troops trained for mountain warfare. Our light infantry troops can train in mountainous terrain, but they are not mountain warfare troops like you would find in India, Pakistan, etc. The main reason is we do not intend to fight in that type terrain. The 172d Brigade in Alaska is Arctic Warfare, not mountain warfare. The 10th Mountain Division is a title of lineage, not mission. In fact, if it has a specialty, it is in MOUT.
 
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Ehran    RE:Mountain troops?   9/30/2005 12:20:06 PM
you do realize there are no mountains in vermont herc? 10th mountain should be based out west where there are mountains to train in. they should be based at fairly high altitude to take advantage of the physiological adaptions that happen when you live at altitude. periodic training trips simply don't last long enough to make the changes happen.
 
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shek    RE:Mountain troops?   9/30/2005 12:56:33 PM
The 10th MTN DIV (Light) is a light division that doesn't conduct mountain training as part of its Mission Essential Task List. The Vermont National Guard maintains an infantry battalion that is the only Mountain unit in the Army today. It runs the Mountain Warfare School, and they habitually send a company to train with the 173rd ABN BDE during the brigade's annual CMTC rotation. That may have changed since I left, but I can tell you that the battalion was highly motivated and professional.
 
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Horsesoldier    RE:Mountain troops?   9/30/2005 3:27:25 PM
>>you do realize there are no mountains in vermont herc?<< Plenty of mountains in Vermont, home of such historical military organizations of the "Green Mountain Boys" for instance. No mountains to speak of at Fort Drum, New York, home of the 10th Mountain Division, however. >>10th mountain should be based out west where there are mountains to train in. they should be based at fairly high altitude to take advantage of the physiological adaptions that happen when you live at altitude. periodic training trips simply don't last long enough to make the changes happen.<< Putting the division at Fort Carson would be a perfectly sane idea, I would agree, as that is where the US has historically done a good deal of mountain training, to include the CIA training program for Tibetan insurgents back in the 50s and 60s, before "Free Tibet" became an emasculated political rallying cry for Leftists and Hollywood psuedo-intellectuals instead of an active endeavor.
 
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Horsesoldier    RE:Mountain troops?   9/30/2005 3:29:59 PM
Cadre for the Army's Northern Warfare Training Center in Alaska are also proficient in technical mountaineering and such, but it is not a TO&E unit and not a deployable sort of unit.
 
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Worcester    RE:Mountain troops? Albany   9/30/2005 7:35:46 PM
"The U S Army does not have specific conventional troops trained for mountain warfare...The main reason is we do not intend to fight in that type terrain." Afghanistan? Or is our lack of formation-level expertise the reason why we are letting the Europeans take it over?
 
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Ehran    RE:Mountain troops?   10/1/2005 10:18:41 PM
horsesoldier the highest feature i could find in vermont was a tad under 4400 feet high. apparently our definition of mountain is very different ;)
 
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