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Subject: Are SF soldiers better than regular soldiers?
bravoss    10/16/2005 1:57:12 PM
i always wondered if the sf soldier are better soldiers than regular soldiers,do they get better hand to hand skills,better should skills,endurance and everything else important in being a soldier.i know they are mostly shown as the best of the best,but special forces doesnt mean only that are best,it means that they are units created for special operations.does the special forces really mean that they are better trained and better soldiers than regulars?
 
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Yimmy    RE:Are SF soldiers better than regular soldiers?   10/16/2005 2:53:40 PM
At the end of the day we're all human. I don't think hand-to-hand has had much to do with anything these days.
 
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GOP    RE:Are SF soldiers better than regular soldiers?   10/16/2005 3:31:07 PM
On average, they do, but not every SOF soldier is better than regular infantry. Like Yimmy said, we are all human, and because of that, anything is possible. The main thing that SF soldiers have is motivation, just about every regular infantrymen can get passed the tough specops training if he is motivated enough, it is that simple. >"I don't think hand-to-hand has had much to do with anything these days."< Not in a military sense, due to handguns and knives, but it helps in the frequent bar fight :)
 
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Horsesoldier    RE:Are SF soldiers better than regular soldiers?   10/16/2005 4:33:14 PM
>>Not in a military sense, due to handguns and knives, but it helps in the frequent bar fight :) << Which is a pretty good way to ensure an exit from most SOF units in very short order. Special operations soldiers get treated like grown ups, "get to play by big kid rules" and such, but prove you're not worthy of that level of trust (at least in a manner that comes to the attention of your company or higher chain of command) and you'll be sent packing. And the more trust you get, the less room you have to screw up -- a 19 year old Ranger PFC might get off with an Article 15 for doing something crazy out on the town, but the same thing might be a career killer for an SF soldier in the long run and might get a member of Delta kicked back to the Big Army with no discussion whatsoever.
 
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bravoss    RE:Are SF soldiers better than regular soldiers?   10/16/2005 4:49:49 PM
well there are many young guys,actually i can call them kids in regular infantry,but all guys in special forces are older people.and it looks to me that regular army soldiers are more respected than sf soldiers.dunno why,i might be wrong
 
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ChdNorm    RE:Are SF soldiers better than regular soldiers?   10/17/2005 12:43:05 AM
I think on the whole, I'd consider them of a higher caliber than your average 11 series. They're usually the most professional in a professional army. They are usually a little older, which equates to more experiance and individual judgement that youre 18 year old privates simply dont have. Several more years of training and expertise in their field usually comes with that experiance also. As far as hand to hand training goes ... it's one of those fundamentals that cant be overlooked. I consider it the building block of, while maybe not relevant every day skill sets, the proper mindset and confidence builder that is essential to anyone going into harms way that wants to be a survivor.
 
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GOP    RE:Are SF soldiers better than regular soldiers?   10/17/2005 12:36:22 PM
>"Which is a pretty good way to ensure an exit from most SOF units in very short order. Special operations soldiers get treated like grown ups, "get to play by big kid rules" and such, but prove you're not worthy of that level of trust (at least in a manner that comes to the attention of your company or higher chain of command) and you'll be sent packing. And the more trust you get, the less room you have to screw up -- a 19 year old Ranger PFC might get off with an Article 15 for doing something crazy out on the town, but the same thing might be a career killer for an SF soldier in the long run and might get a member of Delta kicked back to the Big Army with no discussion whatsoever. "< I know, SOCOM forces have very strict rules, etc. I was referring to the frequent bar-fights that you read about in books and see in movies. You get into a bar-fight in Delta, you will probably be put in jail for killing someone :)
 
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Yimmy    RE:Are SF soldiers better than regular soldiers?   10/17/2005 12:48:42 PM
I don't think a Delta guy would do too well in a bar fight somewhat. Little fit guy vs big fat blokes, who are too intoxicated to feel the beer glass and all.
 
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GOP    RE:Are SF soldiers better than regular soldiers?   10/17/2005 9:21:28 PM
Beer glass? That is for the Marines. If you are SOCOM, you do some fast and painful hand-to-hand stuff :)
 
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All Soldier    Are SF soldiers better than regular soldiers?   6/13/2009 10:20:19 AM
You know you would think that if a guy is drunk he wouldn't feel it, but we had a incident were i am from were 4 college kids went to a bar, got drunk and tried to mess with this old man that was there.  They messed with him till he told them to go #**$* themselves and left, but when he got to the parking lot they jumped him.  That old man ended up going to jail because he put 1 of them in ICU and messed the other 3 up pretty good.  Ends up that old man was a Army Ranger Back in Vietnam.  Guess they learned never under estimate the old guys.
 
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flamingknives       6/13/2009 1:59:15 PM
As a general rule, "college kids" are usually on the bottom rung of bar-room brawlers, as they won't have the motivation to keep going in the face of adversity. That said, there are people who would fit into the "College kids" bracket but are actually dangerous. But that sort of person does not go around starting bar room brawls.

SF tend to get more training in more areas than regular counterparts, which has to count for something, but there will be regular soldiers who are better in particular scenarios, infantrymen who are better shots than some snipers, etc. but they will not necessarily have the aptitude or motivation in different areas.
 
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Aussiegunneragain       6/14/2009 9:02:18 AM
On average they would have to be better as the selection processes that they undertake to get into the special forces weed out a large majority of hopefuls. I know for the Australian SAS you have to be sponsored by your unit to even get to attempt a cadre course so the guy's who actually pass are damn good.
 
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le_corsaire       6/24/2009 11:25:26 AM

... does the special forces really mean that they are better trained and better soldiers than regulars?

Actually (I know it is politically incorrect) it is exactly like that.The whole purpose of "special forces" is to maintain a group of people who receive extensive physical, psychological and technical training to have a) a broader variety of options for a certain mission. and have b) always a selection of people ready that you can allocate on a mission without headaches. This does not mean that SF are only "combat" forces - also e.g. SF logistics is a thing in itself. Those guys would have better tools and also more versatile capabilities they have been trained on. And becasue you do not want to spend all your money in training which just compensates curernt lack of capability and makes a "normal" guy exceptional you set up a selction process to make sure that your human base-maertial is already as good as possible. This does not mean that the selection process is always effective ( i.e. that there are no idiots in SF or that you detect all talents) - but it is a starting point. So yes - SF are usually "better soldiers" with respect what most people would regard as "soldier skills" to do their job. However you can't run an operation just with SF - you also need e.g. the absolute unathletic but supercapable electronics or IT specialist etc. - you need them in other places, but you need them.
 
 
 
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FJV    No   6/24/2009 12:39:30 PM
Special forces are like a "specialist tool" that have the limitations that come with being a specialist tool. There are certain things that special forces cannot do and regular forces can.
 
For instance special forces are not are not equipped with tanks and heavy artillery. (It's not what they are intended for)
 
 
 
 
 
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BasinBictory       6/27/2009 5:17:16 AM
Yes, special forces soldiers are better than ordinary soldiers.
 
The selection process alone weeds out many who are not physically fit or tough enough, who lack the intestinal fortitude necessary, or who lack the requisite level of skill. I think the Navy SEALs washout rate is something on the order of 3/4ths. Given that the candidates who make up these classes in the first place are already highly motivated volunteers, the 25% who make it through are truly exceptional soldiers. Then, by association with their SPECOPS units, they receive further training far in excess of what ordinary soldiers receive, so their already prodigious native talent is sharpened even further.
 
I guess a good analogy would be, let's say a young skiier on the slopes of some ski resort is really quite naturally good. A representative of that country's Olympic skiing team takes this kid to their training facility, where the kid receives training and coaching that increases his skills and sharpens his natural talent. He was already better than average to begin with, but with the additional training and coaching, he is now Olympic-class, in other words, elite.
 
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Whiskey Bravo       6/28/2009 7:14:38 PM
Special Forces ("Green Berets" are called offically Special Forces) are primarily Trainers and On-the-Gorund support personnel for Military Intelligence & the CIA, that said a Special Forces trainer is going to have allot more training then an infantryman. Take the Soviet Invasion of Affganistan; Special Forces didn't fight that war but they trained & advised the locals to fight it. More so, the basic foundation of any soldiers training is going to be basic infantry skills and we have many Special Operations Units such as SEALs, Delta, Rangers, & Force Recon with very specific purposes that are not always the same.
 
Rangers perform what many countries would call Commando Operations; including tasks such as small teams warfare which is the same foundation as any other infantryman in the US Military, except they are held to a much higher standard. At there worst Special Operations are much better then average soldiers because they are held to a higher standard but at their absolute best its not the unit but the individual...
 
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