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Subject: Sea Duty coming back
ambush    11/2/2007 1:05:47 PM
Marines Going Back to Sea
Norman Polmar | October 23, 2007
The Navy?s newly published maritime strategy -- officially A Cooperative Strategy for 21st Century Seapower -- calls for the return of Marine Corps detachments on a ?wider variety? of Navy ships and Coast Guard cutters. When the strategy was unveiled at the Naval War College in mid-October it was announced that ?Marines will continue to be employed as air-ground task forces operating from amphibious ships to conduct variety of missions, such as power projection?. But they will also be employed as detachments aboard a wider variety of ships and cutters for maritime security missions.?

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Yimmy       11/2/2007 5:58:13 PM
I would have thought this would have come under the role of the USN's new organic infantry force?
 
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ambush       11/2/2007 9:31:19 PM

I would have thought this would have come under the role of the USN's new organic infantry force?


I was thinking the same thing
 
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Carl S       11/3/2007 10:15:25 AM
The navys 'infantry' were formed during the Rumsfeld era in the DoD in response to the USMC being ordered  to cut back on filling its traditional roles for USN shore base security ect...  The individuals that would have filled those billets were sent to Iraq.  This was paralle to the other programs for transfering USN & USAF personell to the US Army directly, and for the USAF & USN o provide support units to the US Army & US Marines in Iraq above what is normally required.  

Since one of the SEAL teams already provides anti terrorist response within the USN and the USMC antiterrorist unit backs that up the naval infantry dont have a strong role there.  Beyond that the USMC security group (regiment) is expanding for its traditional roles. So the USN infantry unit kind of falls in as a hopped up MP or Shore Patrol.  I dont think it is going away, but it does kind of complicate the organization and conduct of business. 
 
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Herald1234    However you slice it.   11/3/2007 11:07:57 AM
The armed forces of the United States are long overdue for a major overhaul and a WAKEUP call.
 
Simplification.
 
Rummy was the wrong man with the wrong idea; but he smelled something was seriously wrong in the five sided puzzle palace.
 
Naval infantry?
 
Air Force and Army fighting over drones?
 
Shipbuilding near collapse?
 
Aircraft procurement policies that resemble those of France?
 
More than 4x as many generals as we need?
 
OIF revealing staffwork that wouldn't junior ROTC muster?
 
Logistics and procurement disasters that are JIT failures?
 
I've been following this oncoming trainwreck now for fifteen years. Immigration reform and SEC reform and housing credit reform, Social Security as well as the need to prosecute the Clinton Administrtation officials for their crimes and this Bush Administration for incompetence; pales into insignificance to the need to grab the DoD by the shorts and shake it up savagely to fix it.
 
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SCCOMarine       11/5/2007 2:12:25 PM

I would have thought this would have come under the role of the USN's new organic infantry force?



 

I think you misunderstand the role of the Navy Unit.  Its stricly Riverine, the only reason they receive Infantry training is b/c they based the Units capabilities off of those present in the Marine Corps Small Craft Company who were mostly infantry.

 

The only reason the MC let the mission go was b/c Marine Infantry units were operating at around 85%, Rumsfeld asked the Corps to expand its Anti-Terror Brigade, ANGLICO, & the Recon Community& there were talks of the Marines contributing 2500 men to SOCOM.

 

However, Rumsfeld wanted all of this to take place but was set on not allowing the MC to grow beyond 178,000 base 183,000 w/ a wartime supplement.

 

Cuts had to be made. 

But either way the Navy's 'Riverines' are not Infantymen & are limited in scope to riverine ops, not the full list of missions envisioned in these Coastal Forward deployed ops. 

 

There is talk however about doing the coastal and river FID missions that Small Craft used to do in South Am & Africa, but only as an attachment not as a stand alone force.
 
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SCCOMarine       11/5/2007 2:20:22 PM
Also it should be clear that the 'Riverines' main mission besides patrolling the water ways(on the water) is Troop Transport.
 
Which is another reason the MC dropped the mission, they didn't want to use skilled infantrymen in a support role.
 
 
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