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Subject: Are you brainwashed during USMC training?
The Warrior    8/27/2005 4:04:11 PM
That's what I have heard.
 
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Carl S    RE:Are you brainwashed during USMC training?   8/27/2005 5:15:03 PM
Were you "brainwashed" in your military training? What would you consider brainwashing?
 
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Ehran    RE:Are you brainwashed during USMC training?   8/27/2005 5:33:52 PM
when you think about it sleep deprivation, physical stress and constant indoctrination are classic cult "brainwashing" tools. hmm United States Marine Cult hehe.
 
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Carl S    RE:Are you brainwashed during USMC training?   8/27/2005 5:54:49 PM
Well that description fit.
 
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fitz    RE:Are you brainwashed during USMC training?   8/28/2005 9:18:47 PM
People who join the Marines are volunteer's. If they don't know what they are getting into when they join (and they certainly should - it's no secret) it won't take them long to figure out. Recruits are told what is going to happen right up front. Because they are volunteer's, they can leave if they so choose. Brainwashing is involuntary and adversarial. The person being brainwashed typically is aware they are in a hostile situation, such as the Korean War examples (where the phrase Brain Washing was first coined) of U.N. prisoners being tortured and otherwise coerced into admitting to fictional war crimes. People being subjected to brainwashing will typically do as instructed by their controllers until that influence is no longer present because it is a matter of self-preservation. Once away from that coercive element the the individual will revert to their normal patterns of thought and behaviour.
 
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Sam    RE:Are you brainwashed during USMC training?Fitz   8/28/2005 10:06:44 PM
"Recruits are told what is going to happen right up front. Because they are volunteer's, they can leave if they so choose." Not trying to sound snide, but what service were you in? We were not told "what was going to happen prior to an event. Part of learning to work and thing in a chaotic environment and under stress. "Leave if they choose" As we use to say in my Cpl days USMC yoU Signed the Motherf**king Contract. You leave at EAS not when you decide you don't want to play anymore.
 
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Sam    RE:Are you brainwashed during USMC training?Fitz   8/28/2005 10:07:51 PM
"Part of learning to work and thing in a chaotic environment and under stress." Of cours should be think not thing
 
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Carl S    RE:Are you brainwashed during USMC training?   8/29/2005 7:43:44 AM
To dig into the details a little. The object during WWII was to create trained recruits as rapidly as possible. Six weeks or so. & the program leaned towards the automatia aspect, although the USMC definition of 'discipline' was considerably broader than commonly associated with the term.. Since then recruit traning has been longer. A 80 day sllybus in my case in 1974. The overall trend has been to create finished recruits capable of initiative and independant thinking within the context of the overall mission or goal. In the late 1980s this trend was jumped up a level when the training was expanded to include more formal leadership training. That is PFCs & Lance Cpls who could continue to act & make decsions in the absence of an NCO or officer. I think the core of this was instilling a sense of resposibility for ones actions in the individual. That the Marines were then attracting recruits primarily in the top two recruiting categories enhanced this. The brainwashing aspect is far deeper & more complex than the common use of the term suggests.
 
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eatmee    RE:Are you brainwashed during USMC training?   10/12/2005 10:14:22 PM
It is indoctination, and remember this is done for training and dicipine and loyalty to he mission however dangerous. U could consider it brainwashing. But it is not an evil form. It is trained into them. Because a military life, and especially in the marines. Is not just a job or part of your life. It is your life. U are and become it. U live it. And it becaomes the whole of u in many ways. And yes this is what u came for. It is doctrines to make u a good soldier and u live the service.
 
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GOP    RE:Are you brainwashed during USMC training?   10/17/2005 12:36:23 AM
I don't consider it brainwashing, I consider it a challenge that tests your inner-self. Will I make it or should I go ahead and quit? Is it worth it? Do I really want to be a jarhead this bad? Am I man (or woman) enough to tough this out? Can I push myself any harder to make this run or do I lay back? Can I handle the lack of sleep and stress? These are questions that must be answered, and the Corps only want motivated and physically fit recruits. They have to deprive you of sleep, because in a combat zone, sleep is very limited, and if you can not perform with 3-4 hours of sleep per night, then how are you going to function when the bullets are flying and you are tasked with taking a hill or bunker and you have only had 1-2 hours of sleep in 3 days? The Corps has to make it stressful or in combat, you might piss in your pants and fold up/give up. Brainwashing? No. Test? Yes
 
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USN-MID    RE:Are you brainwashed during USMC training?   10/26/2005 2:20:20 AM
Think about it. You're physically and mentally exhausted. You're constantly browbeaten and called pondsucking scum...at best. You take part in a ritual where you are instructed to work as a group(drill). Brainwashing? Maybe. Honestly, I do think military training at some level induces some brainwashing. However, it is EXTREMELY limited. Once you graduate, those circumstances are gone, and you act on motivation, not from being a drone. Primarily, it's a weeding out process to cut out the ones who would rather curl up in a ball and hit the rack when they're exhausted.
 
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Carl S    RE:Are you brainwashed during USMC training?   10/26/2005 7:16:31 AM
"You're constantly browbeaten and called pondsucking scum...at best. " Even the recruit training of 1974 ceased this technique by phase III.
 
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ZackG    Break you down, build you up.   10/31/2005 10:02:17 PM
If that's what you'd like to call it. The whole idea of basic training is to break you down from the person you were before and build you up as a diciplined, motovated, confident person. Weather or not it is "brainwashing" is a personal point of view.
 
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ZackG    Sleep deprivation -    10/31/2005 10:05:42 PM
As for this talk of sleep deprivation, a friend of mine, who is a year ahead of me, is currently in boot camp at Paris Island. He is recieving roughly 8 hours of sleep per night, usualy in bed by 2000 or 2100 hrs, and waking up at 0400. This is also required by law. The only time you will experience sleep deprivation in basic is during the crucible, where you will recieve roughly 4 hrs of sleep over a 72 hour time period.
 
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Weasel    brain washing   11/4/2005 7:54:58 PM
I have a couple of friends who are ex-marine. I wouldn't regard them as crazier or more "brain washed" then any other Americans. In fact, they are depressingly as normal as me. My friends and I share a like for beer and telling lies to each other, are extremely loyal, are religiously devoted to some form of sport (hockey, football, etc). No, I don't think they're brain washed... American, yes, Brain washed, no.
 
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Thomas    RE:brain washing   11/10/2005 10:18:54 AM
Well a few things: 1. Brain washing requires something to clean up, some of my co-draftee's were lacking serious laundry. 2. During training you apply pressure in a controlled fashion. If you break people down before building them up you: a. Double your workload. b. A reconstructed brain is always of an inferior quality.
 
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