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Subject: SAS
TB    7/22/2002 6:18:48 PM
Australian sas in afghaniostan proveed they are best in world
 
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Fred    RE:SAS   7/22/2002 10:52:24 PM
Good but why the best? One of our regular infantry snipers made a kill at 2430 meters. Thats world class I'd say.
 
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Scorpene    RE:SAS   10/5/2003 8:08:16 AM
Both the Australian and British SAS, as well as units like GSG-9, the U.S. Navy SEALS and Special Forces, have all proven they have the "right stuff" on many occasions around the world. And most of these units train and operate in cooperation, feeding off of each other's experience. Who dares wins, and who keeps an open mind and never stops training also wins.
 
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Horsesoldier    RE:SAS   10/5/2003 8:30:48 AM
Best by what unit of measurement? Did they kill the most bad guys? Evade detection and complete the most reconnaissance missions? Put up with the worst chow? The Australian SASR definitely number among the best special operations forces in the world, but who, exactly, is "the best" is, first of all a sort of silly question, because we mere plebians in the public don't get to hear about 99% of what these sorts of soldiers and units do, and second, because, much like "best tank in the world" and all these other debates, the actual difference in skills between top-end special operations units (most of whom train together in the west anyway) is vanishingly small.
 
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Shaka of Carthage    RE:SAS ... Horsesoldier   10/5/2003 10:29:14 AM
Ditto.
 
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Final Historian    RE:SAS ... Horsesoldier   10/5/2003 11:12:55 PM
Roger that.
 
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LXI    RE:SAS ... Horsesoldier   10/27/2003 5:31:50 PM
These posts amuse me. SF's are very secretive in every regard (at least in part their success comes from surprise both tactical surprise and 'capability' surprise). Very few know their true capabilities or even details of the ops. The SF's like it that way and like to keep it that way. Most knowledge comes from 'reputation' and scanty info. On top of that each SF has advantages in one or other speciality which suit the strategic and tactical requirements of their Nation/armed force. Although adaptability is a key to both their selection, doctrine and training, one SF will normally have an initial advantage in certain circumstances. Again to say one is better than another would be speculative or argumentative and scenario/mission dependant. I think it is sufficient to say that universally SF's troops give respect to all SF's both professionally and tactically. They probably are in a position to offer an informed view but are sworn to secrecy!!!! Because of selection criteria, amount of training, equipment scales and their recognised importance in to the various govt/armed forces, I would rate the Aus SASR, with the US SF's and the Brits SF's (and the fact they cross train, share intel and after battle repports - and they still remain competitive between themselves). Because of actually war experience each of these probably have an advantage over most other SF's (except maybe the Ruskies, Israel and a few others). (I would actually suspect the yanks to have an advantage becuase of technical and tactical support. In Afghanistan the Aus would not have been as effective if they didn't have the back up of a flock of B52's ect ect. But we'll take this is a comparison of pound for pound super infantrymen. In that case they are pretty equal.) Cheers, LXI
 
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brit_view    RE:SAS   12/13/2003 1:20:20 PM
Listen lets get real, who are your aussie SAS trained by?. . .
 
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gf0012-aus    RE:SAS TB   12/13/2003 1:36:36 PM
Rubbish, the newspapers in Australia might say we are some of the best in the world, but you won't find any serious comments from Australians saying that we are the best.
 
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StudentofConflict    RE:SAS   12/13/2003 1:39:33 PM
okay Brit_view, I'm as patriotic an Englishman as they come, but thats a bit of a bone statement. Yes, both the Aussie SAS and the US Delta Force were based on our SAS, but in some training techniques we have learnt from the Yanks as much as they have learned from us, especially in the application of advanced technology. Our lads probably still have an edge in some areas, mainly in covert/OOTW ops due to the Northern Ireland experience, but the overall differances would be small. Heres one though. Does the US have an equivalent to Britains' "other-other" special forces unit, 14 Intelligence Company? Wouldn't a unit like that be useful in Iraq? Would missions like that be handled by SOCOM or the CIA?
 
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gf0012-aus    SAS - brit_view    12/13/2003 1:47:05 PM
No australian with a military background is going to come out with a half a$$ed comment like that. It craps me off when people make stupid comments like this. I deal with a number of ex SAS people in my current job, none of them EVER talk about prev work, they never EVER talk about their capability, and they never EVER crap on about specwar operators from other countries. I've known some of these guys for over 25 years and they still don't talk. In a group environment if someone talks about somalia, afghanistan, even vietnam, they will stay out of it and are more likley to walk away than say anything at all. They're not super soldiers, they're just bloody good at what they do. it's a bait thread and it's worked. At the end of the day it means stuff all what you think of your capability, its what the troopers and operators from the countries you were next to, and the opposing force who determine how good you are.
 
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InFuSeR    Re   12/13/2003 1:52:03 PM
I think my Pokemon Special forces are the best.They can do thunder bolt attack and sneak attack.Along with razor leaf and ton of other special tricks. You cant compare "Real" special forces because we wont know what they did for another 50 years atleast.
 
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StudentofConflict    RE:Re   12/13/2003 2:33:29 PM
yeah, Pikachu is wicked at CQB, and Psyducks is a world reknowned close-recon specialist
 
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Ad    RE:Re   12/13/2003 4:10:47 PM
Its un-fair to measure Det-14 with any other organisation, as no other nation requires it. The Det isn't a special forces group, however it does have SAS and SBS operators who do "tours". The only real news that has ever come out about (from an SAS/SBS point of view on the Det) was when three injured IRA Volunteers were exectued (following a survalance op), by the mobile reserve. (When i say execution, i mean in a similar way that the IRA on Gibralter were killed). Apart from this, the only other things that spring to mind is a lot of cross-boarder chasing into Ireland its self
 
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stratego    RE:SAS   9/21/2004 5:29:50 PM
what is 14 Intelligence company? And I'll bet the answer is, we (Americans) don't have anyone to do it. That's part of why Iraq is where it is.
 
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Ad    RE:SAS   9/21/2004 8:11:26 PM
?what is 14 Intelligence company?? Its nearly exactly what it says on the tin. It?s a grouping of various folks from various Signal units across the British Army, who do ?tours? in the Detachment (Det-14) in Northern Ireland, gathering intelligence on various factions; Sinn Fein, DUP, PIRA, RIRA, UVF etc, through bugging and active surveillance. It also coordinates SAS operations in the province as a mobile assault and mobile reserve units are also provided by 22 SAS and no doubt the SBS too. The results speak for themselves, the alleged SAS ?Shoot-to-kill? campaign form 1987 to 1992 bled the PIRA dry, destroying many Brigade ASU?s in single exchanges. Loughgall is probably the best none incident, where an SAS Sabre Squadron wiped out the East Tyrone Brigade. However the intelligence and surveillance of the attempted PIRA attack on Loughgall would have been collected by Det-14, prior to the operation. I am unaware of what measures US forces are attempting in Iraq. However you need to bear in kind the fact that Britain ahs had over 30 years experience at this sort of warfare, its not simply a case of picking up and going in Iraq, a doctrine needs to be developed and a steady trickle of experience needs to be built up.
 
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