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Subject: Condoleezza Rice
crashnburn    7/29/2005 11:31:25 AM
First of all recently Forbes rated the top 10 most powerful women in the world,and Condi was numero uno.There have been several "in the know" people throughout Washington commenting on how a Rice vs. Clinton race may be reality in 2008.First of all I would like to find out what you all think about this, what her chances to win are, and if she could do the job effectively.

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DarthAmerica    RE:Condoleezza Rice    7/29/2005 3:07:31 PM
Too soon to say how it would turn out but... It would seriously undermind the Democrats grab at the female and especially minority voters. Dr. Rice would still have to run a credible campaign in addition to doing her current job well. A lot depends on public perception of Iraqi progress because her name is all over that. When it comes to knowlegde of facts and foriegn policy Dr. Rice out classes the Senator. On domestice issues I would say that they may be evenly matched but with very different takes on the issues. A Dr. Rice vs Sen Clinton election assumes a lot though. The two biggest assumtions are: 1. US is ready to have a Female President. 2. US is ready to have a Black President. Which really means depends on Republicans. Notice how I write very little on qualifications...lol. That used to matter too but we are beyond that now.
 
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blacksmith    RE:Condoleezza Rice    8/13/2005 10:27:44 PM
The Black President is a closed issue. Colin Powell could have had the office for the asking and I've never forgiven him for not running. You have to remember that a vote against a black man FOR president is not a vote against a black man AS president. Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and those other race-mongers are corrupt, egotistical, far-left wackos. They are as racist as any klansman that ever burned a cross. Voting against them in no way should be construed as the country not being ready for a black president. You just have to remember that the first black president will be a conservative or moderate. The Jackson/Sharpton crowd are neither. Rice is. The tactic to use against Hillary is to get her shrill. Even people close to her report that she is unbecoming when riled up. It would be like the Dean Scream. Rice apparently maintains her composure all the time. But as far as I know, she has no social life. The question is not whether the country is ready for a black woman as president. The question is whether the country is ready for a monk/nun for president.
 
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battar    RE:Condoleezza Rice    8/15/2005 3:44:26 PM
Right now, would you rather see Dr Rice in office instead of GW Bush? Most of us would, except Jay Leno because it would deny him one of his major sources of jokes. The American public can sometimes be relied on to vote incompetents into office, so if the race were between Bozo the clown and Dr Rice, i'd say it would be a an even chance (after all, we had a Hollywood actor for two terms). Sometimes the one who wins is the one with the best hair. To what do you attribute the ignorance and apathy of the American voter ? Don't know and don't care !
 
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kjetski    RE:Condoleezza Rice    8/15/2005 3:56:27 PM
I had to tell Condi that I was busy this weekend helping Margarita move into her new apartment. Condi was not very happy with me..... In reality Condi would be a wonderful choice. Sen. Clinton is positioning herself to make a very powerful run, and she may make a competent NCA. I would much rather see Dr. Rice or Dick Cheney (hopefully not on life support) as NCA. Please keep in mind my very liberal politics. That being said the number one duty of the POTUS is as commander. I want a good leader. I want low taxes. I want stable economic policy. And Condi wants me :)
 
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AlbanyRifles    RE:Condoleezza Rice    8/16/2005 10:08:39 AM
The one thing to remember about Dr. Rice is that she is an academic. So this is her first real experience running the show so to speak. Being a provost at Stanford and then SOS may not be enough executive experience. Even Wilson, the last academic we had as POTUS, at least had been a university president (Princeton) and governor before being elected.
 
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battar    RE:Condoleezza Rice - Kjetski   8/16/2005 3:24:41 PM
"I want a good leader. I want low taxes. I want stable economic policy. " Do you like rice, jetski? you want to live in China !
 
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Thomas    RE:Condoleezza Rice    9/16/2005 4:23:37 AM
This reminds my of an anecdote of Nixon and golda Meir: Nixon: "We both have jewish foreign secretaries." (Henry Kissinger) Meir: "Yes, but mine speaks the bettr english." (Abba Ebban). In Condi gets elected, the USA wil have the prettier president.
 
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blacksmith    RE:Condoleezza Rice    9/30/2005 6:47:06 PM
"The one thing to remember about Dr. Rice is that she is an academic. So this is her first real experience running the show so to speak. Being a provost at Stanford and then SOS may not be enough executive experience. Even Wilson, the last academic we had as POTUS, at least had been a university president (Princeton) and governor before being elected." Then Wilson was not an academic. He was a governor. Rice has served in administrative positions in the executive branch, advising presidents, and now playing point in the international arean, for a decade and a half. Clinton has done what precisely...what? Henpecked a president? Got a seat in the National Masterdebating Society by winning a popularity contest as a liberal in a liberal state running on her husband's name? Notice she didn't run from her home state. Hillary achieved success the old fashion way. She married well. And her one foray into running something was one of the greatest political disasters in recent memory and did more to bring the bain of socialism to the US than the Soviets did. The question is whether or not Rice can overcome the disadvantage of having virtually the entire body of the Main Stream Media shilling for her opponent.
 
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AlbanyRifles    Blacksmith   10/3/2005 9:21:45 AM
I disagree, Wilson had been a academician for 20 years before he became athe presdient of Princeton, and he was a governor for only 2 years before being elected president. My point was that Wilson was a academic but who also had executive experience. Rice is an academic who has had limited executive experience.
 
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Thomas    Leaders?   10/4/2005 10:35:27 AM
Amercians are very focussed on their president. It find it at least as interesting whom they use in their inner circle as advisors. To my mind there is small doubt that the Kennedy administration had a chance because the circle around Eisenhower retired. The Bush senior circle has continued.
 
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eatmee    RE:Condoleezza Rice    10/5/2005 9:24:39 PM
She wil definately be the prettier president. If i was an america she would get my vote. She may not have had so much executive experience in her resum'e (or whatever its called) but baby sitting george Bush and doing half the work, in another 4 year at end of his term i think she will have experience.
 
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blacksmith    RE:Blacksmith   10/18/2005 10:43:08 PM
And Hillary's experience is...? It's not academic. It's not administrative. It's not running on her own merits. It's not even as a lawyer. She was little more than window dressing at the Rose law firm. Every other partner in the firm were committing felonies and she knew nothing, because of course, she wasn't there as a lawyer. She was there as a shortcut to the Governor. How do you bribe a governor? You pay a retainer to his wife's law firm but never use its services. Give me the academic...please.
 
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S-2    RE:Blacksmith/Presidents   10/19/2005 5:59:43 AM
Powell depresses me. He didn't have the affection of the Repub. party machinery, I suspect. I wouldn't count him out, though. I think he should run as a democrat. He'd blow out Hillary and give back to the Democrat ticket the balance, military, and geo-political expertise they've lacked while holding much of their traditional constituencies in place. Dr. Rice is capable. More so than Clinton, though both are sharp as tacks. Neither appear particularly comfortable with average people, but that's because they aren't average. A campaign between them would be the most fascinating event in modern American presidential campaign history. The debates, I think, would be knockouts-with a ton of substance, quite possibly. Equally interesting would be a campaign between Rice and Powell. Wow! Would that be cool, or what? Mentor and mentee?
 
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AlbanyRifles    RE:Blacksmith   10/19/2005 10:32:23 AM
This was about DR Rice, not SEN Clinton...you brought her up, I didn't. My comments were based on questioning the executive experience of DR Rice. I am not comparing her to anyone else.
 
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Ashley-the-man    RE:Condoleezza Rice    12/3/2005 8:12:40 PM
Let?s not make the mistake of trying to compare these two intellectually. Comparing the intellect of Dr. Rice to Senator Clinton is like comparing the medical knowledge of Dr. Spock to Mr. Spock. Hillary-Jo-Bob Clinton passed the bar in Arkansas, flunked it in D.C. Dr. Rice speaks French and Russian, is a concert pianist, was the advisor ? at age 34 ? to President Bush 41 and introduced to Gorbachov as such. She was a highly regarded Provost at Stanford who in two years reversed a $21 million red ink budget and promoted the hiring and opportunities for black men and women faculty entering the university. She has been highly regarded by those she has given council and been advanced because of her incredible ability. Hillary is a good politician and will be a formidable opponent. She is attempting to tack to the center, but she will always be a liberal. She will not take risks and will always tow the party line. She does not have the ability that Bill did to read an audience and connect with them emotionally. To gain the nomination, Dr. Rice will have to be vetted and overcome the land mines that face any run for the nomination. Gaining the support of Republican conservatives and, perhaps even more importantly, the conservative media i.e. Limbaugh, Hannity, etc. is a huge hurdle. Of course nothing is certain in politics, but Dr. Rice can reclaim a number of voters that Senator Clinton claims by divine right. Hillary vs. a Republican male will get 90% of the black vote, a very large percentage of the single, divorced women?s vote, a large majority of the Hispanic vote, and her own core liberal and Democratic base. She gives up the male vote in numbers even greater than Gore or Kerry lost, but the loss is more than made up by what she gains in the other demographics indicated above. Dr. Rice would contest and reclaim a larger number of single and divorced women than any Republican male, might split the black and Hispanic vote and the male vote would more likely vote for her in numbers that supported Bush 43. Given these numbers she would beat Hillary. And then who is chosen to run as Vice President? Either candidate could screw up any advantage that demographics bestowed upon them. Hillary could, though it is not guaranteed, beat a Republican male. She would have a very hard time against Dr. Rice. Condolezza Rice would make a great president.
 
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