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Subject: Publicizing Enemy Body Counts
Braddock    10/27/2005 5:15:40 PM
Facultative Elements of War: Publicizing Enemy Body Counts
By Terrance Jones

?Nevertheless, no formal review of the practice has been ordered, according to spokesmen at the Pentagon and in Baghdad. Several senior officers and Pentagon officials involved in shaping communications strategies argued that the occasional release of body counts has important value, particularly when used to convey the scale of individual operations.?
Enemy Body Counts Revived
U.S. Is Citing Tolls to Show Success in Iraq
By Bradley Graham
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, October 24, 2005; Page A01



*Note- The assertion of the Pentagon officers are correct, as not only are casualty lists effective in assessing the flow and success rate of individual battles as well as the cumulative strategy, but they provide a detailed ascertainment matrix of our sustained casualties over the course of the war.

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U.S. casualties- 2,000

*The current casualty rate of U.S. soldiers clearly suggest that while we have had much success in battles that have executed intense pursuit strategies over strategic areas of Iraq, insurgent forces have used the lack of sustained continuity in these attacks to inflict consistent casualties on our forces through the continuity of their improvised explosive device attacks on convoy forces as well as those implemented in urban areas. These factors suggest that seasonal reprieves have been counter productive to our strategic initiatives in Iraq. The insurgent forces are willing to sustain large casualty ratios on a strategic level as long as it can maintain the continuity of its attacks on U.S. and coalition forces through the benefits of seasonal reprieves which allows insurgency forces to recruit insurgents and replenish its weaponry in convoy regions as well as urban areas targeted for insurgent attacks. The enemy body count list validates this assertion. Seasonal reprieves have facilitated an environment where the cyclical recruiting and replenishment of insurgent fighters and weaponry has encouraged talk of a U.S. presence in Iraq for up to 10 years(Rice: U.S. May Still be in Iraq in 10 years Washington Post). This last point should be examined carefully, as it will be extremely hard to accomplish our strategic initiatives if we are forced to maintain the current troop levels in Iraq for up to 10 years.

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For those who like to speak of Vietnam like parameters and realities, it is important to note that seasonal reprieves were not implemented during the Vietnam War. The protracted term of the Vietnam conflict was due to global proliferation issues of a strategic nature as well as flashpoint intervention factors in Vietnam concerning China and Russia which limited our tactical assaults to adaptive warfare/ assymetrical assaults in order to adapt to the guerilla tactics of the Vietcong and North Vietnamese Army. These facts present us with strategic benefits concerning the intensity and length of the war in Iraq:

Paradigm Shift

In the absence of Cold War parameters, Vietnam would have no chance of prolonging the war due to the lack of seasonal reprieves and the tandem force of conventional and assymetrical warfare tactics that would have dramatically increased the intensity of an already grueling war that was facilitating highly exertive casualty rates on the side of the Vietcong and NVA soldiers. These facts have a direct correlation to what can be accomplished in Iraq:

1. Seasonal Reprieve Abolishment- This will allow America to step up the intensity of military offensives against insurgency groups. This will also lead to the disruption of the insurgency training and command and control networks that link insurgent leaders in the rugged terrain areas that benefit from seasonal reprieves with the insurgency groups in convoy and urban areas.

2. Exertive/Protracted War Factor Aversion- The government of Iraq is newly formed, yet it is already developing a strategic alliance with Iran. This fact alone makes it imperative that the seasonal reprieve abolishment initiative is implemented as it will lead to an exertive/protracted war factor aversion due to the war in Iraq being brought to a successful(American Victory) conclusion in a dramatically reduced fashion. Considering the current situation in Iraq, this can be accomplished in an 18 month timeframe. Without this initiative being accomplished, it will be extremely difficult to train Iraqi security forces that realize that the majority of Iraqi?s are waiting for Iran to fully develop a nuclear weapons capability which will translate into a short term compliance by Iraqi security forces(with American initiatives) as well as the Iraqi civilian population who would prefer to unite with Iran due to the shared Shia majority leadership of both nations. It is important to note that if initiatives 1 and 2 are not implemented, time will work against the strategic initiatives of America, as Russia and Iran?s strategic partnership is strong and will only get stronger due to the flashpoint intervention parameters that will come into play should America decide to embark on a military course of action against Iran should they be successful in developing a nuclear weapons capability. This is projected to occur well within the next 10 years with some experts making minimal projections at 3 years which work against the current pace of the training of Iraqi forces.

3. Configurative Posture Benefits (Global)- Initiatives 1 and 2 will facilitate maximum fluidity and lethality of America?s global configurative posture. This will allow us to maintain a strong presence in Europe which will neutralize the strategic interests of Russia and China. America will then be free to aggressively defend our interests in Southeast Asia against the attempts by China to obtain economic and strategic (military) dominance of this region within the next 10 years.

"Specific numbers are used to periodically provide context and help frame particular engagements," said Brig. Gen. Donald Alston, director of communications for the U.S. military command in Baghdad. He added, however, that there is no plan "to issue such numbers on a regular basis to score progress."
Enemy Body Counts Revived
U.S. Is Citing Tolls to Show Success in Iraq
By Bradley Graham
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, October 24, 2005; Page A01


Note- Enemy body counts of a public nature may prove to be essential to improving on the tactical execution of the war in Iraq. Monthly reports would produce rapid results in adapting to enemy movements in multiple regions of Iraq while denying them much need continuity and tactical reprieves that may allow them to continue to be successful in their cyclical recruiting and replenishing efforts in regards to enemy fighters and weaponry. This initiative would be extremely effective due to the success of American offensives to this point which has contained insurgency attacks into pockets of resistance. This initiative would facilitatate a strategic catalysis effect of overwhelming force in those strategic areas of resistance.

?During the Vietnam War, enemy body counts became a regular feature in military statements intended to demonstrate progress. But the statistics ended up proving poor indicators of the war's course. Pressure on U.S. units to produce high death tolls led to inflated tallies, which tore at Pentagon credibility.?
Enemy Body Counts Revived
U.S. Is Citing Tolls to Show Success in Iraq
By Bradley Graham
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, October 24, 2005; Page A01

In the Vietnam War, enemy body counts were used to show our allies across the globe our commitment to standing by those who stand by us. The manner in which we executed the war in Vietnam facilitated aversion factors in regards to possible military conflicts in various regions across the globe due to the Cold War, as we proved that we were willing to stay the course of a military initiative once we have committed ourselves as well as proving that we would sacrifice in our efforts to successfully achieve our goals. The enemy body counts also played a role in convincing our enemies of our commitment and determination. The manner in which the Vietnam War ended was not a failure on our part, as much as it was a lack of ascertainment by our South Vietnamese allies that it takes total commitment to achieve the freedom and liberty that we all would like to experience. While this statement will probably be unpopular, the fact is, if the commitment of the Montagnards was reciprocated by the South Vietnamese, there would have been a different end to the war in Vietnam. Sometimes the tiger rules the jungle. To suggest anything else would just be plain old lion. Hence, the name tiger land. In my heart of hearts, I hope Vietnam sides with China, as I would love to democratise Vietnam out of respect for those Americans who lost their lives in the Vietnam War.
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shek    RE:Publicizing Enemy Body Counts    10/28/2005 9:58:36 AM
Braddock, What books have you read on Vietnam? It appears as if you have bought into the popular mythologies surrounding the US involvement in Vietnam. I know that I tend to challenge your core hypotheses, but I am being serious and would like to offer some readings that would be of great use or at least understand why you discredit these works if you have read them. Furthermore, I think that you aren't reading Iraq very well. While there is cooperation with Iran, don't look at this short-term azimuth in long-term effects. The failure of Sistani to back the Shia slate this time along with Sunni participation will remove any religious Shia majority and move foreign policy towards a cooler posture with Iran come December. Next, don't lump the insurgency into a monolithic mass that has a grand strategy. There are several different insurgencies, none of which have provided a popular strategy that is inclusive or offers a hope of gaining widespread support. Finally, your terminology still gets in the way of what you are trying to say. Your success in writing rests on your ability to effectively communicate your thoughtsm and if your audience is hung up on trying to translate and decipher your terminology, then it's not spending time digesting what you have written.
 
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BraddockCaesar    RE:Publicizing Enemy Body Counts    10/28/2005 12:01:43 PM
Braddock, "What books have you read on Vietnam? It appears as if you have bought into the popular mythologies surrounding the US involvement in Vietnam. I know that I tend to challenge your core hypotheses, but I am being serious and would like to offer some readings that would be of great use or at least understand why you discredit these works if you have read them." Shek You forgot to list the books you accept as historically correct. Many of the books on Vietnam that I have come across are written by soldiers with tunnel vision in regards to the strategic premise with which the Vietnam war strategy was executed. This strategy remained cognizant of proliferation issues that prevented more intense battle envelopment strategy due to flashpoint intervention factors that would affect/expand the distinction of the combat to include proxy war facilitators like Russia and China's entry into the Vietnam War as well as provoking military action in strategic areas around the world. Regional conflicts must be judged by the era and parameters in which they exist. To suggest that a regional conflict like the Vietnam War should have been fought in a manner conducive only to regional satisfaction and appreciation in the "Cold War" era where a lack of strategic and tactical precision would have made limited use of nuclear weaponry a highly probable option is beyond insanity and unbecoming of U.S. Army officers. If you read America's Best and Brightest, you will see that although the tone of the book second guesses Pentagon leaders, Army Chief of Staff, General Wheeler clearly articulates the theoretical limited nuclear option strategy concepts that allowed our Pentagon leadership to use the Vietnam War as an exertion strategy in tandem force continuity with our global counter proliferation/limited nuclear option strategy which increased the Soviet Union's budgetary spending due to the preparatory warfare tasks our strategy facilitated(on the part of the Soviet Union) in regards to the Soviet Union's support of Vietnam and the troop deployment costs of attempting to match our global configurative posture. Historically, this is one of the few times that a protracted war was part of the war strategy, yet the proliferation threats made this necessary. To implement this strategy without a nuclear standoff/exchange was masterful and exemplified the art of war and true generalship in its purest form. What were the titles of the books you were going to suggest that I read? Braddock The Great "Furthermore, I think that you aren't reading Iraq very well. While there is cooperation with Iran, don't look at this short-term azimuth in long-term effects. The failure of Sistani to back the Shia slate this time along with Sunni participation will remove any religious Shia majority and move foreign policy towards a cooler posture with Iran come December. Next, don't lump the insurgency into a monolithic mass that has a grand strategy. There are several different insurgencies, none of which have provided a popular strategy that is inclusive or offers a hope of gaining widespread support." Shek I refuse to entertain this assertion of yours. The leaders of Iraq have publicly stated that they want U.S. forces to leave in the next year. They also have publicly stated that they wish to strengthen their ties with Iran and wish to have Iran take on the training tasks of their security forces. Somehow, that makes me feel that we can't trust the Iraqi leadership whose public statements are not that different from the multiple insurgency group leaders who you have noted. Braddock The Great "Finally, your terminology still gets in the way of what you are trying to say. Your success in writing rests on your ability to effectively communicate your thoughtsm and if your audience is hung up on trying to translate and decipher your terminology, then it's not spending time digesting what you have written." Shek I have yet to use a term that is not in the dictionary. Do you wish to avoid that which we all(military students) have done in our study of the great strategists of the world in regards to utilizing the dictionary to expand our vocabulary and ascertainment of the facultative elements of war which lead to a fusion of math, sciences,philosophy and things of that nature. Braddock The Great
 
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Weasel    RE:Publicizing Enemy Body Counts    10/28/2005 12:45:13 PM
NOT repeat not a good idea, Saying you killed x to your Y combat deaths belittles humanity even further then actually having the conflict in the first place. People and especially the dead are not numbers. It would be a PR nightmare, because the next question would be, how many civilians have been killed? Nobody in their right mind committed to the Iraqi campaign would want that number floating around.
 
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BraddockCaesar    RE:Publicizing Enemy Body Counts    10/28/2005 3:14:23 PM
"Saying you killed x to your Y combat deaths belittles humanity even further then actually having the conflict in the first place." Weasel I will answer these questions as if you were a soldier(I am assuming), as my response would be articulated differently to a non-soldier who is lacking in the ascertainment of war: Strategic Premise- A highly skilled and competent theatre commander will formulate a casualty projection matrix that minimizes initial military and civilian casualties by precision use of space control strategies. Upon the success of this strategy, a publicized enemy body count list can reduce the rate of further resistance from the enemy. This occurrence or defiance(due to a refusal to surrender on the part of the enemy) will facilitate the secondary phase of theatre combat offensives where variable casualty projections (lower or higher) will obtain acceptance and subscription by the native civilians due to the enemies' compliance or the fact that increased combat offensives that translate into a significant increase in military and civilian casualties was facilitated by their military's refusal to surrender. These factors make it easier to gain civilian subscription to any one of our chosen pursuit strategies. This increases our ability to reduce the in-country multi regional threat variances while providing a safe environment that will encourage the civilian population to volunteer for service in the new and revitalized security forces of its nation. "People and especially the dead are not numbers. It would be a PR nightmare, because the next question would be, how many civilians have been killed?" Official Response- The refusal of the enemy to surrender has caused x number of civilians to lose their lives due to intense fighting in the y region of Iraq. "Nobody in their right mind committed to the Iraqi campaign would want that number floating around." Being naive when your nation is at war is extremely dangerous. I suggest you get guidance from your platoon leader as to why you practice your battle drills. Sgt. Jones
 
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BraddockCaesar    RE:Publicizing Enemy Body Counts    10/28/2005 3:19:22 PM
"Saying you killed x to your Y combat deaths belittles humanity even further then actually having the conflict in the first place." Weasel I will answer these questions as if you were a soldier(I am assuming), as my response would be articulated differently to a non-soldier who is lacking in the ascertainment of war: Strategic Premise- A highly skilled and competent theatre commander will formulate a casualty projection matrix that minimizes initial military and civilian casualties by precision use of space control strategies. Upon the success of this strategy, a publicized enemy body count list can reduce the rate of further resistance from the enemy. This occurrence or defiance(due to a refusal to surrender on the part of the enemy) will facilitate the secondary phase of theatre combat offensives where variable casualty projections (lower or higher) will obtain acceptance and subscription by the native civilians due to the enemies' compliance or the fact that the enemy's refusal to surrender will increase the intensity and rate of combat offensives in a manner that will translate into a significant increase in military and civilian casualties. These factors make it easier to gain civilian subscription to any one of our chosen pursuit strategies. This increases our ability to reduce the in-country multi regional threat variances while providing a safe environment that will encourage the civilian population to volunteer for service in the new and revitalized security forces of its nation. Sgt. Jones "People and especially the dead are not numbers. It would be a PR nightmare, because the next question would be, how many civilians have been killed?" Official Response- The refusal of the enemy to surrender has caused x number of civilians to lose their lives due to intense fighting in the y region of Iraq. Sgt. Jones "Nobody in their right mind committed to the Iraqi campaign would want that number floating around." Being naive when your nation is at war is extremely dangerous. I suggest you get guidance from your platoon leader as to why you practice your battle drills. Sgt. Jones
 
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Weasel    RE:Publicizing Enemy Body Counts    11/3/2005 4:31:42 AM
You asked, I answered.
 
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Braddock    RE:Publicizing Enemy Body Counts    11/4/2005 9:19:59 AM
Weasel I have no clue as to what you are talking about. I am kind of busy now.
 
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shek    RE:Publicizing Enemy Body Counts    11/4/2005 11:05:00 AM
Weasel I have no clue as to what you are talking about. I am kind of busy now. -snip- Know you know how we feel typically when we read your writings.
 
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Braddock    RE:Publicizing Enemy Body Counts    11/4/2005 11:48:59 AM
Shek I also know how you feel when your boss makes you implement what is articulated in my writings.
 
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shek    RE:Publicizing Enemy Body Counts    11/4/2005 3:24:44 PM
Wow, so you work for TRADOC down at Fort Jackson? I do get an email every six months from my commander tasking me to take an PT test and send my standard nameline for accountability purposes. I guess your day job is as an administrative assistant? This is one of your more informative posts.
 
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shek    Comprehension of the history of the Vietnam War   11/17/2005 10:07:55 AM
Braddock, I laugh at your premise that General Wheeler made smart choices during Vietnam or is a laudable individual. He was at the helm of the Army that had a failed strategy during our last advisory years and at the helm of the JCS as we continued a failed strategy that spent domestic political capital. It was only when General Abrams and a solid team took charge of the top tier of the leadership in Vietnam in late 1969 did we finally implement an appropriate strategy, a counterinsurgency, for executing the Vietnam War. We were on the crux of success by the end of 1971, but our domestic fortitude was no longer available thanks to the failed strategy approved by General Wheeler. Furthermore, you seem to claim that the strategy for Vietnam was a prolonged one to bleed the Soviet Union. Nothing could be further from the truth. It was a strategy of tactics that was sold as being able to ?fix? the problem within the next 6-12 months, a timeline that kept on getting recycled. Instead, during the Vietnam War, funds were diverted within DoD to wage the war and the Soviets were able to reach nuclear parity with the US, partly because of the lack of funds to continue expanding our nuke forces. Furthermore, we ended up with a broken and demoralized Army, one that required about a decade to rebuild into a professional and capable force. As a result of Vietnam, you had a Soviet resurgence, which resulted in the greatest levels of Soviet adventurism during the entire Cold War. As far as recommended books, if you haven?t done so, you should read Herring?s ?America?s Longest War,? Krepenevich?s ?The Army and Vietnam,? and Sorely?s ?A Better War.? These will give you a solid foundation on the history of Vietnam post-World War II until the fall of Saigon; the failed strategy of the Army to fight a conventional war against infiltration as opposed to an internal COIN, which is what Vietnam was until Tet, and the successes of Army in fighting a combined COIN against phase 2 insurgents, a conventional fight against phase 3 formations, and the effective training of the South Vietnamese, a process that was cut short due to the lack of domestic political capital maintain a steady-state US capability in South Vietnam beyond 1971. Lastly, I still haven?t seen you try to analyze the non-monolithic insurgency to connect the dots with your theory about Iraq in this thread. Do you not understand that there isn?t an ?insurgency,? but rather a collection of insurgencies?
 
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BraddockCaesar    RE:Comprehension of the history of the Vietnam War   11/18/2005 2:14:41 PM
Braddock, "I laugh at your premise that General Wheeler made smart choices during Vietnam or is a laudable individual." Shek While I applaud your humility in conducting the homework exercise I gave you in regards to researching the pre invasion strategy of General Wheeler that was noted in "Americas Best and Brightest" I can only conclude you did not ascertain the quotes from General Wheeler, as any young officer understands that in a pre war strategy session, generals lay out the military options available with the full understanding that the President will decide what strategy will be implemented or changed through variations by subordinates who side with the strategy of the administration. Is that in any way unclear to you? "I still haven?t seen you try to analyze the non-monolithic insurgency to connect the dots with your theory about Iraq in this thread. Do you not understand that there isn?t an ?insurgency,? but rather a collection of insurgencies?" Shek Your ascertainment abilities need further development. I have constantly noted the fact that multi regional threat variances include multiple insurgency attacks from divergent Islamic sects (which implies non-monolithic tactics due to the historical disdain Iraqi Sunnis and Shia have for one another) in divergent in-country regions such as Iraq. I have a new strategic essay that will help solve all your problems. Tomorrow. Oh. I have quite a few day jobs that include administration, proposal and technical writing, engineering and various other diverse tasks. I hear Alexander the great was known for that type of work ethic. Braddock Corleone
 
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Weasel    RE:Comprehension of the history of the Vietnam War   11/18/2005 9:23:32 PM
"... Oh. I have quite a few day jobs that include administration, proposal and technical writing, engineering and various other diverse tasks. I hear Alexander the great was known for that type of work ethic. Braddock Corleone ..." Let me get this straight, Are you comparing yourself to Alexander-The-Great?
 
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shek    RE:Comprehension of the history of the Vietnam War   11/18/2005 10:19:41 PM
Weasal, Braddock hasn't found the right dosage to control his schizophrenia. Don't worry, he may show up as another personality tomorrow - it's completely normal. Either that, or it's a major inferiority complex - the jury is still out.
 
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Braddock    RE:Comprehension of the history of the Vietnam War   11/18/2005 10:56:27 PM
Weasel I am. I am comparable to him as a strategist and tactician. I believe my training as a U.S. Navy submariner and Army National Guard sergeant along with my experiences from the school of hard knocks is going to prepare me for a comparable leadership role in the field. 37 is not a death sentence in today's Army. Shek My personalities have served our soldiers in the field well. I am also well known for my command center disertations.
 
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