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Subject: Stryker Brigades ?Self-Reliance? Worries Army Training Command
DarthAmerica    4/23/2006 4:00:19 AM
Has our U.S. Army gone mad? This kind of innovation is exactly what we need encourage IMO...

By Sandra I. Erwin

Access to the latest information on insurgent tactics in Iraq can be a decisive weapon for Army commanders prepping their units for war.

The Army, as the other services, has institutionalized the process of collecting and distributing ?lessons learned? from the battlefield, but the information often does not flow to combat units quickly enough to let them adjust their own tactics before they deploy.

Among the Army units that have rotated in and out of Iraq during the past three years, the Stryker brigades appear to have perfected the lessons-learned drill by setting up a high-tech communications center at Fort Lewis, Wash., where senior leaders and junior commanders receive day-to-day feedback from deployed troops. These detailed, unfiltered reports shape their training and preparation for combat. In the process, they also have managed to stir apprehension among some Army officials who worry that the Stryker?s way of doing business sets it too far apart from the mainstream.

Gen. William S. Wallace, head of the Army Training and Doctrine Command, commended the Stryker brigades for their savvy use of information, but also cautioned that they risk isolating themselves from the rest of the Army. The Training and Doctrine Command oversees the gathering and distribution of Army lessons from the field. In response to soldiers? widespread use of email and chat-rooms to share war lessons, last year TRADOC set up a secure web portal known as ?battle command knowledge system.?

?The Stryker center for lessons learned is doing a great job,? Wallace said at an industry conference. ?I like their connection to the operational force ? but we need to be careful we don?t end up with multiple armies without a unified perspective.?

Lt. Gen. James M. Dubik, commander of the Army I Corps and Fort Lewis, spearheaded the Stryker lessons center ? known as the Bill Jacobsen Operations Center. Jacobsen was a member of the unit who died fighting in Iraq.

The facility is set up much like a tactical operations center, outfitted with computers and video-teleconferencing equipment. Fort Lewis is home to three Stryker brigades ? named after their trademark vehicle, the Stryker armored personnel carrier.

Wallace acknowledged that the Stryker brigades are not alone in their distrust of the institutional Army. ?The operational Army tends not to reach out to TRADOC for help. They turn onto themselves,? he said. ?They are working for Gen. Dubik. He?s created it and he?s operating it.?

That said, however, ?They can?t just be a satellite spinning out of control over there,? Wallace added. ?There?s some fundamental things we need them to be consistent with ? Army learning models, requirements, the battle command knowledge system.?

But Wallace said that despite these concerns, TRADOC might consider setting up a similar lessons center for ?future combat systems? units, which are scheduled to be fielded in 2014. FCS brigades would be equipped with far more sophisticated networks and sensors. ?We may develop something similar for FCS,? Wallace said. ?The concern is that we can?t develop four or five different armies. We need greater Army perspective.?
 
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shek    RE:Stryker Brigades ?Self-Reliance? Worries Army Training Command   4/23/2006 8:07:50 AM
Sounds like GEN Wallace wants to be in charge . . .
 
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DarthAmerica    RE:Stryker Brigades ?Self-Reliance? Worries Army Training Command   4/25/2006 10:24:12 AM
How many lives would be lost in the period between today's date and the post 2010 date where GEN Wallace "might consider" integrating this method? I think in wartime, the Unit Commander should be given the authority and flexibility to modify doctrine and training on the fly as he/she see's fit(within reason) and then post war TRADOC should conduct a detailed analysis. Like a gigantic post war AAR with the "sustains" being fast tracked into official policy/doctrine. Just my 2 cents...
 
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AlbanyRifles    RE:Stryker Brigades ?Self-Reliance? Worries Army Training Command   4/25/2006 10:29:29 AM
I believe GEN Wallace makes a valid point. You can not make the lessons learned insular....you need to bring the lessons into the light so all can learn...not just like units.
 
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ArtyEngineer    RE:Stryker Brigades ?Self-Reliance? Worries Army Training Command   4/25/2006 10:30:16 AM
Sounds just like "Big Business". Some people get very hung up on following "Established Process and Procedure" regardless of how this has been shown to not work!!! TO people like this thee is nothing as swcary as someone who can accomplish their job wothout using these established procedure. As a total "Outside the box" thinker I fall foul of this attitude on a daily basis!!!
 
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shek    Insurlarity   4/25/2006 11:08:36 AM
AR, While I agree that insurlarity is bad, the apparent mindset based on the article is that the Stryker Center for Lessons Learned needs to conform to the Army. If this is indeed the case, this is stifling initiative. Generally, lower level units will fill vacuums, and in this case, I Corps obviously felt that CALL wasn't getting the job done and that it made sense to set up the SCLL. This sounds like the same thing with the COIN University in Taji that General Casey set up - he obviously doesn't feel that TRADOC is getting the job done, and so he decided to take institutional training into his own hands. The key here is not to decide who has the responsibility and make it a TRADOC vs. FORSCOM vs. CENTCOM vs. USAREUR vs. whoever issue, but for the various commands to be responsive to the others needs and take innovation and run with it. The SCLL has obviously been successful in its mission, and so it should be incumbent upon TRADOC to figure out how to replicate its success and integrate it without stifling the service that it is providing to the warfighter.
 
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shek    RE:Insurlarity   4/25/2006 11:10:56 AM
BTW, all you need is an AKO account to access the non-class stuff, and the SCLL has a distribution list to which it sends quarterly newletters. There's no restriction against non-Stryker elements/personnel from using it, and no reason why CALL can't pull out appropriate material and disseminate it in its own publications.
 
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AlbanyRifles    RE:Stryker Brigades ?Self-Reliance? Worries Army Training Command   4/25/2006 11:27:08 AM
I guess I didn't read it that way....and I am not surprised by your pereception based on your unique capabilities and views. My mindset is if there is a lesson which can and should be applied to the entire Army then CALL needs to be the repository for it so it gets out to one and all. (Like weapons maintenance issues after the 507th MT CO debacle). No harm no foul if it is STRYKER specific. As for TRADOC competency....well, what do you want from an organization whcih sits inside a moat! Where is Mad Max when you need him!!!
 
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shek    RE:Stryker Brigades ?Self-Reliance? Worries Army Training Command   4/25/2006 11:40:31 AM
I guess I didn't read it that way....and I am not surprised by your pereception based on your unique capabilities and views. I really don't know if General Wallace's thoughts are in line with what was written about his thoughts, but I just don't see the SCLL as some kind of rogue venture to separate the SBCTs from the big Army. My former BN CDR works there as a contractor at SCLL, and he certainly was a total team player. The fact that their material is accessible should make it easy for CALL to integrate.
 
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stbretnco    RE:Stryker Brigades ?Self-Reliance? Worries Army Training Command   4/26/2006 5:12:51 AM
About time someone shook up TRADOC. To say that they move like molasses running uphill in January would be an understatement. The best info we got on TTPs for units deploying came from theater. By the time TRADOC got us the info it was already obsolete.
 
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S-2    RE: Stryker Brigades ?Self-Reliance? Worries Army Training Command/My Thoughts   4/26/2006 5:41:11 AM
Wow. SCLL should be easily accessed by TRADOC. They could liason this or, I'd assume, receive daily dumps from SCLL. They should in no way deter this medium. I can't imagine TRADOC institutionally capable of rapidly responding to the battlefield. Moreover, this is about, in essence, TTPs, and I frankly don't see it within the purview of TRADOC. It's not doctrine, and it's not training. Everything timely and critical, but NOTHING etched in stone. If Wallace wants to help, he'll get out of the way or provide TRADOC funds to establish these facilities at any post deploying troops, and accept the daily dumps as payment in kind.
 
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Carl S    RE: Stryker Brigades ?Self-Reliance? Worries Army Training Command/My Thoughts   5/29/2006 10:27:14 PM
I recall seeing the same crap coming from Franks mouth a decade ago when he was running TRADOC. The difference is Wallace sounds mush mouthed and unsure, Franks simply sounded pendantic & stupid.
 
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AlbanyRifles    RE: Stryker Brigades ?Self-Reliance? Worries Army Training Command/Carl   6/1/2006 12:56:04 PM
Dude, you have to learn to not keep these feelings bottled up inside you! You gotta let them out before they eat you up!!!
 
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bigfella    RE: Stryker Brigades ?Self-Reliance? Worries Army Training Command   6/10/2006 9:17:59 AM
Reminds me of a story I heard about Vietnam, where McNamara's 'systems analysis' approach was all the rage. Units would submit all these detailed reports etc. which would be processed & fed into computers to supposedly produce useful data on enemy behaviour,etc. One officer said that after months of submitting these reports he finally got a report back advising him of something like 'mortar attacks are most likely on moonless nights'. A potentially useful observation, but one that could have been gleaned from asking anyone who'd been in country for more than 5 minutes. Sounds like some folk in the military are still a little too fond of their systems analysts & not interested enough in talking to those at the 'sharp end'.
 
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