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Subject: Chinese Sailors Who Disobey
SYSOP    5/13/2012 7:57:40 AM
 
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tomasb       5/13/2012 8:25:07 AM
I do not want to speculate, but could not do it Chinese on purpose? For example to gain some info about Japanese "rules for engagement" for situations like these?
 
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Booban    Aint no mistake   5/13/2012 3:33:39 PM
As tomasb said, it could be a trick!
 
They know the Japanese are listening in. They know full well the Japanese will "complain" and in the worse case they can just say the one pilot was rogue, or his radio broke or whatever.
 
Don't be gullible, it is not in Chinese nature to disobey.
 
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Skylark       5/13/2012 10:13:01 PM
I'm not so sure the Chinese pilots were under orders or not.  Remember that incident when a Chinese J6 collided with one of our P-3s in 2001?  The Chinese were performing dangerous maneuvers around the bigger plane and paid the ultimate price for it.  Of course, this led to a windfall of sorts for the Chinese; losing an obsolete fighter for whatever they gleaned off the sophisticated P-3, but I doubt if that was the purpose of the action because it was nothing short of a miracle that the recon plane did not crash as well.  I think that Chinese pilots are trained to be arrogant SOBs, which makes them difficult to control and potentially as dangerous to their side as ours or any others.  Bad discipline is bad policy, and stupid pilots eventually kill themselves stupidly.
 
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Steph       5/13/2012 11:00:35 PM
I have to go with Thomasb on this, the Chinese are not stupid they would have been testing the Japanese level of resistance, they should have shot the chopper down at 2K just to let them knoe where the 50/50 line is and what happens if you cross it.
The Japanese would have got a good insite in the Chinese level of political wineing.... after all no doubt they would have recorded the orders to the rogue pilot.. and when you think about it they let the danger get to within 90 metres... what's that in real terms it's 3 to 6 seconds for a suicide mission..
 
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WarNerd       5/14/2012 3:53:43 AM
The situation has not risen to the level that it would be appropriate to deliberately shoot at the Chinese helicopter.  But at that range I wonder what might happen if the Japanese fired off a chaff salvo form the countermeasures.  Anyone out there know what happens when helicopter blades meet chaff?  Or when some gets sucked into a jet engine?
 
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