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SYSOP    9/17/2014 6:14:15 AM
 
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Spiky    The core of the problem   9/17/2014 12:40:46 PM
"A lot of the problem has to do with culture, especially culture influenced by Islam."..........BINGO. Everything else mentioned in this article and the problems of these Muslim nations stem from Islam's self-contradictory theology, politics, and ideas.
 
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EvanH    The core of the problem   9/17/2014 3:38:33 PM
I don't know Spiky, I think a Turkish, Pakistani, Bangladeshi or Malayan battalion can do a decent job. Concur with the author that the problem is a tribal one, rather than with Islamic belief.
 
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keffler25       9/17/2014 4:55:24 PM
Test that.


Concur with the author that the problem is a tribal one, rather than with Islamic belief.

 
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Spiky    The core of the problem   9/17/2014 6:49:32 PM
The core of the problem still stems from the ideology (theology) or their central ideas, the essence that is. But, tribalism is a problem for them, and so is a culture of castes, corruption, JIHAD (which is central to Islam - don't let political correctness fool the readers), and deception such as a strategy like Muruna or Taqiya and other ideology of deception which erodes integrity in the military and civilian sectors of Muslim nations, and even in personal lives. Example of deception and untruth even in the face of loss: Iraqi generals communicating to Saddam Hussein that the American coalition was being driven back when the exact opposite was TRUE. In spite of all this, I concur that Turkish and Pakistani (especially these two) battalions can do decently, and also, not to forget, the Iranians.
 
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Spiky    The core of the problem   9/17/2014 7:41:52 PM
The core of the problem still stems from the ideology (theology) or their central ideas, the essence that is. But, tribalism is a problem for them, and so is a culture of castes, corruption, JIHAD (which is central to Islam - don't let political correctness fool the readers), and deception such as a strategy like Muruna or Taqiya and other ideology of deception which erodes integrity in the military and civilian sectors of Muslim nations, and even in personal lives. Example of deception and untruth even in the face of loss: Iraqi generals communicating to Saddam Hussein that the American coalition was being driven back when the exact opposite was TRUE. In spite of all this, I concur that Turkish and Pakistani (especially these two) battalions can do decently, and also, not to forget, the Iranians.
 
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WarNerd       9/18/2014 2:35:01 AM
Example of deception and untruth even in the face of loss: Iraqi generals communicating to Saddam Hussein that the American coalition was being driven back when the exact opposite was TRUE.
Nothing to do with Islam or tribalism, all it takes is a ‘shoot the messenger’ mentality.  Hitler and the Japanese High Command had the same problem toward the end of WWII.
 
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Spiky    The core of the problem   9/18/2014 8:24:16 AM
And isn't it interesting how that "shoot the messenger mentality" is so prevalent in Muslim countries?
 
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Spiky    The core of the problem   9/18/2014 8:42:20 AM
And isn't it interesting how that "shoot the messenger mentality" is so prevalent in Muslim countries?
 
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WarNerd       9/19/2014 2:05:46 AM
And isn't it interesting how that "shoot the messenger mentality" is so prevalent in Muslim countries?
 Also all of Africa, most of Asia, and parts of South and Central America.
 
Seems a nearly univeral human condition with a few exceptions.
 
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Spiky    The core of the problem   9/19/2014 10:01:01 AM
Indeed, it is universal, but especially strong where the FOUNDATIONAL ideas and ideology promote deception, ruthlessness, and blind loyalty, and where openness, truth, and meritocracy are discouraged and repressed. I wonder how well jihadist commanders take to respectful, constructive criticism from their inferiors?
 
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