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Subject: The French Show The Americans How It Is Done
SYSOP    11/23/2014 10:37:51 AM
 
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vahitkanig       11/23/2014 1:25:47 PM
The  difference  between  French and US in France  things  run  by scientist-technician  under control  of  Parlement  in US run  by Parlement  under  control  of Lobbies
 
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HR    Right vahi   11/24/2014 9:23:23 AM
In the USA the vehicle is design to maximize profits and to justify them they try to do too much with it.
 
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keffler25       11/24/2014 9:50:04 AM
BULL to you.
 
The French are more lawyered than the Americans are. And the comment you made has nothing to do with this topic!
In the USA the vehicle is design to maximize profits and to justify them they try to do too much with it.

 
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HR    kefflerian L'Adroit   11/24/2014 5:29:37 PM
Prove it. Prove that they have more legalized bribing aka political contributions than we do.
 
I feel I am talking to a naive mouse.
 
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Barton    HR you prove it   11/24/2014 6:13:49 PM
HR you love to slam people and shout insults.
 
For once PLEASE PROVE (and do not use a wiki or NYT as a source) to PROVE all designs are just to make money for the manufacturer.
 
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keffler25       11/25/2014 12:47:18 AM
 
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HR    Barton   11/25/2014 9:26:40 AM
"do not use a wiki or NYT as a source"- maybe you want me to use a right-wing radio talk show host as a source. That is what most people who critizice the NYT use for their information... as well as right wing blogs, etc.
 
Barton, our friend Keffler is quite mad but you might have some salvation. 
 
In the USA bribery has been legalized and funds extravagant lifestyles for the political class and incredible campaign spending during elections. So when you compare corruption you need to do so with in the context of the social and legal framework of the states.
 
And please do not attempt to even suggest that there is a nation anywhere that spends more on influence and favors that the USA. That is not mathematically possible.
 
What Keffler proved is that France has corruption. Good. That is not the same thing as saying that it tops the USA level of corruption and influence peddling. We are in a league of our own.
 
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keffler25       11/25/2014 11:05:45 AM
What Keffler has proved is that HR is ignorant on topic and CANNOT READ or understand data. 
 
The whole site cited describes in detail (use the interactive map) country by country HOW the corruption works. The US is actually nowhere as bad as France is. Just read and understand.    
 
Something beyond HR's ability to do apparently.
 
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Barton    to HR   11/25/2014 4:54:34 PM
You insulting tone of your response shows how LITTLE respect you have for other people. I did not want you to use WIKI (they are at best terrible sources of info and often just wrong) and NYT is so far left and anti-miltary you can not trust it. So your response is to belittle me, and then say because our "system" is the way it is it is corrupt.
 
You did NOT PROVE your point, you just a opinion with no back up and then you say that because I hold you to use a realistic source (and not a left leaning propaganda source) I am one to be mocked and not taken seriously. You love to spout off on things, but when called on them (PROOF not just opinion) you name call, degrade and insult the questioner.
 
You sir, are not the smartest person on this forum, and you should try to treat others with respect. Assuming someone who has different political opinions than you is automatically an inferior is a sign of a closed minded irrational person. I hope you will learn NOT to insult others, your life would be a lot better off if you did.
 
 
 
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Nate Dog    Gods, how is this an argument   11/25/2014 6:32:39 PM
If anyone ever wonders why the Wests sanctions on Iran aren't as effective as anyone had hoped, then look no further than the French banking system. While the rest of the International community by and large adhered to it, Frances 3 largest banks all continued trading with Iranian banks. Facilitating int money transfers, US $ transactions, all the banned items put in place so the Iranian system would suffer, the French national banking system instead facilitated. 
They're now agreeing to pay the fines, 
Then, the French govt threatened to boycott future boycotts on anyone if the fines were too big, as it might damage French banking interests too much.
HR, are you seriously comparing the 2 systems? Seriously? I know you're only being patriotic and defending your country, but reality isn't something one can argue with.
The old saying goes you're entitled to your opinions, not to the facts.
Personally, i think that only applies to the dimwits. i think you're only entitled to any opinion you can cogently defend amongst intelligent company, else you're the fool on the hill tilting at windmills.  
 
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