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Subject: They Who Must Not Be Named
SYSOP    3/6/2013 5:49:09 AM
 
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TonoFonseca    Alternatives   3/6/2013 10:03:34 AM
We don't need to risk conventional combat with China; if they piss us off enough, we can just cut off their supply of primary resources.  Out here in western Canada, you can regularly see long long trains of just potash, all of it going to China.  They buy a lot of wood and coal and nuclear fuel from us too.  If we stopped selling that to them, they'd smarten up pretty quickly. 
 
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Sty0pa    Cold Comfort   3/6/2013 2:31:56 PM
I'm not sure that's terribly comforting. Japan in the 1930s was belligerent, nationalistic, and militaristic, demanding its place in the sun. They too realized that they had a particular vulnerability to certain raw materials (oil, in particular) and the US implied (or may have said explcitly, I don't recall) that this chokepoint could be used to compel their behavior. Dec 7 1941 was a DIRECT result of a militaristic power feeling the resources it needed were vulnerable.
 
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GeorgeSPatton    Sty0pa   3/6/2013 5:23:50 PM
Yes, but 1940s Japan possessed the ability to project power on a scale which 2013 China can not.  Doing nothing now about this espionage will undoubtedly be worse than waiting until later.
 
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Belisarius1234       3/6/2013 9:57:06 PM
We don't need to risk conventional combat with China; if they piss us off enough, we can just cut off their supply of primary resources.  Out here in western Canada, you can regularly see long long trains of just potash, all of it going to China.  They buy a lot of wood and coal and nuclear fuel from us too.  If we stopped selling that to them, they'd smarten up pretty quickly.
 
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Use the golden rule. They are more dependent than we are on the INTERNET. Cut them off.
 
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Belisarius1234    You seriously think...   3/6/2013 10:54:24 PM
I will discuss anything with you, Scott?
 
You must be crazy!
 
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GeorgeSPatton    Belisarius1234   3/7/2013 12:29:13 AM
Use the golden rule. They are more dependent than we are on the INTERNET. Cut them off.
 
Can we do that?
 
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Sty0pa       3/8/2013 9:39:19 AM
I suspect that yes, we could.
We could also easily do it to North Korea.
 
However, I strongly suspect that capability - and its comprehensiveness - is almost a nuclear weapon in today's world.
 
Using it against an enemy, and having it work, is almost as terrifying to your purported friends.
 
I doubt we'd be willing to flick that switch until we need it. 
 
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DClanton       3/10/2013 5:21:38 AM

I doubt we'd be willing to flick that switch until we need it. 
 
I think the point of this article might be telling that its time. Unfortunately I dont believe we will flick that switch until its way too late. Anyone wanna place a bet? 
 
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