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Subject: The Plot To Kill The A-10
SYSOP    3/23/2015 5:58:05 AM
 
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avatar3    Time for a change.   3/23/2015 6:30:20 AM
Its not the A-10 that is unneeded but a separate Air Force. Time for them to go back to being the U.S. Army Air Corps.
 
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HR    Amen   3/23/2015 9:52:44 AM
It would provide an impetus to develop alternatives to the helicopters.
 
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trenchsol       3/23/2015 12:03:50 PM
As far as I know none of CAS aircraft has been used against the force with effective air defenses. Some may say that it is not supposed to, but the fact is that you might not have a choice in given situation.
 
In fact, it is not entirely true. Il-2 were used against Germans in WWII and suffered heavy loses by both, enemy fighters and ground fire. Also, A-1D suffered significant  loses in Vietnam War.
 
I think that air force wants something that will come in fast, stealthy, deliver precision strike and depart even faster. Or something that will deliver a precision strike from a safe distance. Losing a lot of pilots, soldiers or sailors is not an option any more these days.
 
 
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keffler25       3/23/2015 2:43:55 PM
The Army air corps was a disaster. Give it ALL to the Navy.
Its not the A-10 that is unneeded but a separate Air Force. Time for them to go back to being the U.S. Army Air Corps.

 
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JFKY    THE NAVY!?!?!   3/23/2015 4:28:45 PM
Have you been dropped on your head?  The Navy?  All they'd do is plan on bombing ships....
 
Were you to give air power to another service, it ought to be the US Marine Corps....
 
Anyway the US Army Air Corps did a FINE job in WWII...from the 5th in the Pacific, XXI Bomber Command in the Pacific, the 8th & 15th in Europe & the 9th in Europe at the tactical/operational level.
 
The Navy...indeed...might as well scrap airpower if you're thinking they could use it....
 
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JFKY    THE NAVY!?!?!   3/23/2015 4:29:03 PM
Have you been dropped on your head?  The Navy?  All they'd do is plan on bombing ships....
 
Were you to give air power to another service, it ought to be the US Marine Corps....
 
Anyway the US Army Air Corps did a FINE job in WWII...from the 5th in the Pacific, XXI Bomber Command in the Pacific, the 8th & 15th in Europe & the 9th in Europe at the tactical/operational level.
 
The Navy...indeed...might as well scrap airpower if you're thinking they could use it....
 
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trenchsol       3/23/2015 4:54:28 PM
Toryu88, I don't think loitering is an option in the area where enemy has capable air defenses. SAM batteries are deadly. AA guns are deadly. 30-35 mm has become more common than 20-23 mm. Armor doesn't help.
 
You can loiter around when chasing Taliban or ISIL, but if you have to deal with Russians, or even Iranians or North Koreans, it is a different game with different rules.
 
 
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ddg       3/23/2015 5:43:52 PM
The latest mark of the A10 is hands down the best CAS aircraft anywhere. Low intensity anti-Taliban or other third world scenario's are by far the most likely use of US air power in the foreseeable future.
No one disputes the A10's would have a tough time in a dense air defense environment. But isn't that the task of those high-tech $100 million F-35's --- to degrade the air defense before the A10's arrive?
 
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trenchsol       3/23/2015 7:19:23 PM

 
 
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Nate Dog    Couple of things   3/23/2015 11:41:21 PM
Operating costs of an F16, even though they are sighted at x amount per hour (I think about $25,000 per flight hour) still only works out at about $10 million per year) I think the AF is more concerned about its pilots survival than the added cost, in the scheme of things, its not that much money, considering how much time and effort is involved in training up a pilot, getting him experienced, etc. If F-16/15/22/35 will make him harder to kill, I'm pretty sure that's the path they will pursue. Its one thing to design a craft to help fight and win essentially 1 enormous engagement (Fulda Gap) where pilot casualties will be horrendous but well worth the cost if you can keep the USSR out. As opposed to the added risks faced by airmen flying a craft too slow for modern combat, too vulnerable to some hick firing cheap antiquated anti air artillery. There's a reason why the AF is trying to get rid of these things, and its not malice or stupidity.
 
Small correction to the article. They built 22 B-2 bombers, not 21. Simply 1 was lost in an accident. Shouldn't just dismiss the loss of a $2 billion asset with a stroke of a key...
 
 
 
 
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