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Subject: top 10 tanks in the world!!!
Hong-Xing    8/12/2003 9:07:05 AM
i think it would be this t-90 (rus) m1a2 (usa) t-98 (chi) m1a1 (usa) Challenger 2 (bri) t-95 black hawk (rus) al khalid (chi) merkeva (bra) arjun (ind) t-90||| (chi)
 
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mike_golf    RE: MRS issues.    2/23/2004 1:46:03 PM
Shirrush wrote: "Are you saying that the MRS is used, manually, as a sort of quickie boresight alignment procedure?" Not as a quickie boresight procedure. It is used to adjust the FCS for tube droop and drift. Think of it this way. When you boresight the gun and FCS are aligned to each other with parallax at a pre-determined range (1200 meters in the US Army in 1996). As the tank moves and fires and the exterior temperature changes the gun drifts and droops. So, two hours later the gun/FCS alignment has changed, as has the parallax. The MRS, among other uses, compensates for those changes. The gunner can manually initiate an MRS alignment.
 
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Jeffrey    RE:top 10 tanks in the world!!!   2/24/2004 2:24:12 AM
I can't talk about all that REAL secret things that are in the armor,because i don't know that even you with years and years of experience doesn't know what is really build behind the outside of that armor,only thing i know isthat its hallow,and not about 1CM of steel so that everything can get trough it,but im talking about 20CM and behind that,this armor is ''hallow''
 
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Jeffrey    RE:top 10 tanks in the world!!!   2/24/2004 2:31:01 AM
RetiredCanadianTanker and Mike-Golf,why don't you guys come and take a look at lots of ''advanced'' tankers there,and start a topic about why the Leopard2A5/A6 most frontal (not main) armor whould be usefull when it is empty,than you can here comments at ''advanced'' level! :>)
 
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Jeffrey    RE:top 10 tanks in the world!!!   2/24/2004 2:33:03 AM
And i respect your experience with tanks,but still im working with this tank and ive ''heard'' that this armor is ''Hallow''
 
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gf0012-aust    top 10 tanks in the world!!! - Horsesoldier   2/24/2004 2:33:33 AM
"eviscerated" I'd choose another word, I think Jeffrey is out of his depth in here. I'm going through the "WTF" stage again. There are people in here with real operational and valid experience and someone who'd have trouble identifying the difference between a laundromat and an autoloader is having arguments with them. The Remy Martin is looking good - soon to be followed by a Black Douglas to kill the pain some more.
 
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Jeffrey    RE:top 10 tanks in the world!!! - Horsesoldier   2/24/2004 3:50:29 AM
GF0012-aust wtf are you talking about? Im not even going in discussion with you.
 
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mike_golf    RE:top 10 tanks in the world!!! - Horsesoldier   2/24/2004 10:36:30 AM
Jeffrey, I think Horsesoldier and GF0012-aus were responding to you anyhow. This is a public forum after all. By the way, 20 cm of steel is 200 mm, that's a lot of weight and thickness, but it won't stop a long rod penetrator. Why add all that weight if it won't stop a penetrator. If you are going to add 20cm why not add composite materials that have a much greater capacity to defeat both shaped charge and KE munitions? What RetiredCdn and I have been trying to tell you is that what you are describing doesn't make sense against current generation ammunition. Now, maybe we are missing part of the explanation, or maybe you are unaware of some crucial piece that would make all the difference in the world. But just yelling "I know it's hollow and the guys who made it know more than you" isn't about to convince me. When I was at Aberdeen (that's the US Army's proving grounds by the way) we would have chuckled to ourselves and sent the guy on his way who made a remark like that. At least I'm staying polite and talking with you. I don't really believe the armor on the Leo2A6 is "hollow" but I'm willing to listen and learn. Repeating the above remark doesn't tell me anything though.
 
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RetiredCdnTanker    RE:top 10 tanks in the world!!! - Horsesoldier   2/24/2004 11:44:40 AM
mike_golf, where I think jeffrey is getting his expert friends' opinion is from the fact that if you hit the Leo2A5/A6 armour with a hammer or a wrench, you will here a hollow "bong" sound. This, apparently, means that the entire structure is hollow. Heck, these experts, who I believe jeffrey mentioned are drivers, couldn't be wrong, could they?
 
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mike_golf    RE:top 10 tanks in the world!!! - Horsesoldier   2/24/2004 12:03:52 PM
RetiredCdn wrote: "Heck, these experts, who I believe jeffrey mentioned are drivers, couldn't be wrong, could they" I remember some of the things I believed before I knew better. But I'd like to, hopefully, either get some information from Jeffrey or have him see that a "bonging sound" doesn't mean its hollow. The whole "a sabot round will create a vacumn in the turret as it exits and suck the crew out the hole with it" myth. Remember that one? Of course this ignores how vacumn works and the physics of how a penetrator works, but we were pretty convinced when we were privates.
 
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Shirrush    RE:top 10 tanks in the world!!! - Horsesoldier   2/24/2004 12:46:35 PM
...And indeed this can sound pretty convincing, especially the first time you see the size of the plasma cloud caused by a TP (not even a real one!) penetrator hitting an old piece of rust 2800 m. downrange!
 
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