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Subject: Russian T90 vs. US M1A2 Abrams
achtpanz    6/14/2004 3:59:14 AM
Russian T90 vs American M1A2 Abrams - Which is better? If these tanks fought in battle, which would suffer more casualties, which one is superior? What are their advantages? Any information would be helpful.
 
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Buzz    Russian tank engines   8/8/2010 2:16:58 PM
I dont know where you got your info but in most cases you are wrong. The T-72 diesel engine is a 1930 Detroit Diesel copied from trucks we sent during lend lease before we entered WW2. Its also basically the same engine as in the T-54/55/62.  They are durable but they are sloppy and drink almost as much oil as diesel. They probably can go a little further after running out of oil than you would expect because the russians run them on Bunker and not true Deisel. Bunker is the lowest grade oil that can be used as fuel and is usually only used by cargo ships. As far as the safety of an M-1 goes inside it is literally the safest place on the battlefield. Build a big enough bomb and it will blow up anything.
 
As to any of the russian tanks being better than the M-1 that is a total laugh. The russians have so little faith in their current tanks ability to defeat the M-1 their next generation of tank will mount a 152mm Cannon!
 
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Buzz    RPG Hits   8/8/2010 2:20:05 PM
There was an M1 that broke down and was secure and left to be recovered. It was later destroyed by Iraqi forces but that had to shoot with 110 RPGs before they were able to penetrate to the fuel tank.
 
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Buzz    Head to head fight   8/8/2010 2:25:39 PM
Remember also the M-1 has a stablized gun system and can fire on the move. Rusian tanks have to stop and fire and will probably miss on the first shot do to tank movement. M-60's had this same problem so for war planning they alloted to rounds per kill. The M-1 is alloted 1 round per kill
 
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Vol       8/9/2010 10:25:36 PM
I believe based on us tank training, electronics such as gps, and superior firepower and armor the abrams will achieve a 3 to 1 kill ratio in favor of the abrams,also the t-90 has a stabilizer as well.
 
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Othon       8/15/2010 8:25:10 PM
Well, there is nothing to compare now because these two tanks belong to different generations with M1A2SEP Abrams being vastly superior in every main category:

- firepower - M829A3 APFSDS can
 
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Othon       8/15/2010 8:59:27 PM
Well, there is really no point of comparison now because these two tanks belong to different generations with M1A2SEP Abrams being vastly superior in every aspect over T-90:

- firepower - American M829A3 APFSDS round can penetrate T-90 frontal armor from 1-2 km without much trouble. On the other hand Russian tanks now have only outdated APFSDS ammo from 1980s being completely inadequate do deal with Abrams III generation DU armor. Note M829E4 round is on the horizon! Also Russian gun launched 9M119 ATGM is too week to defeat Abrams armor and unveil T-90 position.

- armor protection - T-90 has essentially slightly upgraded T-72B main armor supplemented by II generation ERA called Contact-5. Today such armor protection is completely outdated because Contact-5 ERA does not work against tandem HEAT warheads or long rod penetrators like M829A2/A3 and T-90 main armor is simply too thin to stop them alone. That fact cannot surprise anyone because T-90 weights only 45-48 metric tons.

- maneuverability - T-90 has so crappy maneuverability we should not even talk about it. Well, T-80 family of tanks has good acceleration and speed performance because T-80B/U are powered by much more potent gas-turbine engines rated 1000-1250 HP. The worse is T-72 was designed from outset with 800 HP class diesel engine in mind (this engine is clone of V-2 engine which powered famous T-34 tank!) at price of bad maneuverability (T-72 was thought to be second class armament designed for Soviet client states and Soviet Army second echelon formations) and its power transmission cannot utilize more powerful engines. Now Russians put into T-90S a thousand HP class engine but this is only ridiculous joke.

There many more T-90 weaknesses like lack of CI3 & IFF systems, simple FCS taken from T-80U tank with imported French TI or even without TI depending on version, huge crew overload and as one Russian military expert said: "Two hours in Russian tank and you are bushed"...

All in all let's wait for next generation Russian tank (T-95?) - there will be something to compare then, not now!
 
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WiggySr    T72vsT72b vs t90   10/9/2010 2:31:53 AM
 
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Machiavelli       12/2/2010 10:27:07 AM
Hello Guys,
 
This is a really long thread, However, to compare the M1A2 with the T-90 is a bit problematic. The design of a tank is a reflection of the doctirne from each country. The Russian tank design has the thinking of numbers rather than the quality of the single tank. The Russian thinking based from the WWII there quantity is quality has an advantage over better but fewer tanks of the Western armies. When I checked out a few Russian made tanks a few years ago, I realized something. The crew must be very short to fit them. Perhaps not a problem for the Russians, but it can be for other countries. I have liked the Russian design of their IFVs and APCs (BMP, BMD, BTR) they are not perfect, but when they showed up in the 1970s it was something interesting.
 
If I repeating somebody now, I am sorry for that
 
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kevpat       1/26/2011 4:46:46 PM
 It dose not matter what type of power plant you have with thermal sights can see any heat comming off of anything. The M1A2 and the T-90 will both will be seen.
 
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kevpat       1/26/2011 5:14:14 PM

Russian T90 vs American M1A2 Abrams - Which is better? If these tanks fought in battle, which would suffer more casualties, which one is superior? What are their advantages? Any information would be helpful.


There one thing I like to point out. The Russians have all ways claim that there technology was further advance then ours. In the 1950"s and 1960's It was the ICBM (missile gap)and there where way behind the USA. Fighters jets, Boomer's and tank all behind the USA. Now I know that the M1Atank is getting old and to think it going to stay on top forever it just stupid. During Desert Storm the Iraq Republican Guard where train up to WARSAW pack standards and the T-72 was supposed to be the best tank in the world (or one of them) and we role over them. Now I do not know much about the T-90 (and I could be wrong about the T-90) but taken the Russian past I think it all hype.  
 
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