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Subject: Russian T90 vs. US M1A2 Abrams
achtpanz    6/14/2004 3:59:14 AM
Russian T90 vs American M1A2 Abrams - Which is better? If these tanks fought in battle, which would suffer more casualties, which one is superior? What are their advantages? Any information would be helpful.
 
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the uh man123?       3/30/2011 7:37:30 PM

like i said. im not going to argue with you. you are not in the military. and never have been. i have had alot more time to study these things. im not going by the T+ in the number. im going by the date of when the first of each tank was operational. which go's as such (T54/55, T62, T72, T80, T90, then T95. if you are really in college then how do you even know anything about military vehicle's. im not saying your dumb. im just saying i know what tanks are what and what they are not.
 
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the uh man123?       3/30/2011 7:41:36 PM
plus 90% of the people who post in this crap either are just bored as shit or dont have ANYTHING else to do. im participating in the invasion of uzbekistan in 1 week. i am going to be fighting against *russian* tanks. as in T80's T72's, AND T90's. proly not very many T90's... but still some T90's. ill still have my laptop though lol i cant go anywhere without it
 
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the uh man123?       3/30/2011 7:45:52 PM

oh and if you remember when i posted that one thing about the russian T95, well this year i get to test drive the prototype of the M1A3 Abrams. i cant give any info because its classified. but after about a month after i drive it ill post another comment. but for all you guys who post this crap, make SURE you all know what you are talking about. dont just say one tank is better than the other just because you like the way one of them looks.
 
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cerbere       3/30/2011 7:55:24 PM
uzbekistan really? i don't know what you smoke but i don't want any
 
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Nichevo       3/30/2011 8:55:20 PM

Yoy are sick, mentally ill and disabled arrogant person. And your comments which are full of hate to my nation never gona make me weaker, it makes YOU weaker and shows how you try to show your non-existent superiority.

ColdStart, you are a young fool - at least I hope you're young - and I see there is no help for you.  Go your ways, and if you do aspire to military service I hope you avoid the dedovshchina.
 
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JFKY    You don't have to get EVERYTHING Right   3/30/2011 9:29:31 PM
but the length of barrel of the M1 is a rather important, and checkable thing.  You want to get grumpy with me, fine...but you made a mistake and whilst it's not the end of the Universe, it is still something you got wrong.  Get over it.
 
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GeorgeSPatton       3/30/2011 10:18:50 PM

like i said. im not going to argue with you. you are not in the military. and never have been. i have had alot more time to study these things. im not going by the T+ in the number. im going by the date of when the first of each tank was operational. which go's as such (T54/55, T62, T72, T80, T90, then T95. if you are really in college then how do you even know anything about military vehicle's. im not saying your dumb. im just saying i know what tanks are what and what they are not.


 
First, I have never claimed to be a member of the military.  I plan to be, but that is not an issue right now.  Being in the military does not give you a free pass to say anything you like and then claim that it is true.  Just like being a civilian does not automatically mean you know nothing at all about military hardware or necessarily even less than a serviceman.
Second, it doesn't matter how much time you've had to study these things, when you're wrong, you're wrong, and all the military experience in the world won't change that.  Thus far I have not tried to correct you about anything that I know nothing about or what is not common knowledge to anyone who is even mildly interested in modern armour, as I am. 
All I am saying is that this statement:
the T90 IS an upgraded (T80). the T80 is an upgraded T72
is false, which it is.  I am not questioning your technical competence or your training.  It has little do do with your ability to identify and kill targets, but technically it is an incorrect statement.  When I pointed that out to you, however, you jumped all over me basically for nothing more than the fact that you have served in the military and I have not.
 
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ColdStart    2 Nichevo   3/30/2011 11:51:08 PM
Nichevo: you sound like abused sick person.
 
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RedParadize       3/31/2011 12:17:03 AM
From what i know, and i am not a expert, the T80 is much more related in its philosophy to the T-64, not the T-72.
 
By the way, the T-64 was a more advanced tank than the T-72 (the early version, not the latest subvariant)
Dont just line them following their number. They dont have linear evolution.
 
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Nichevo    ColdStart,   3/31/2011 12:27:24 AM

Nichevo: you sound like abused sick person.

You sound like someone who has no rational arguments to make and is reduced to screaming abuse at the person who is telling them the unpleasant truth. 
 
Actually, that's just what you are.
 
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