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Subject: Does Iraq have any electronic or information warfare capabilities?
phillipdavidson    3/8/2003 6:22:46 PM
If so, does anyone have any data on them
 
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11b10    RE:Does Iraq have any electronic or information warfare capabilities?   3/8/2003 6:44:40 PM
I posted a possible link In the Iraq Cat. where you first posted.Goodluck.
 
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macawman    RE:Does Iraq have any electronic or information warfare capabilities?   3/9/2003 9:59:02 PM
Most of it is Russian; radars, radios & jammers. The Iraqi Air Defence C3I system is the French KARI system. Some of their best military long range radios are British. With their oil wealth, I think only the US did not sell military equipment outright to Saddam in the 80's. See Jane's Radar & Electronic Warfare Systems edited by Bernard Blake for system capabilities.
 
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fred79    RE:Does Iraq have any electronic or information warfare capabilities?   3/23/2003 10:05:29 PM
seems the russians have been supplying them with anti GPS systems. they were sneaking them in with UN flights.
 
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gf0012-aust    RE:Does Iraq have any electronic or information warfare capabilities?   11/29/2003 9:15:59 PM
They did have some access to some very smart engineers though. US Marines picked up a number of SA-6 Kubs' where they had adapted AA IR guidance systems onto the warhead. In effect it would have made them jam proof as no USAF aircraft had a capability to jam them. Russia denied doing the mods.
 
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Dancing Johnny    RE:Does Iraq have any electronic or information warfare capabilities?   12/1/2003 1:08:51 AM
What do you mean? Are you saying the USAF can't use the same IR counter measures that it uses against AA IR missiles and ground launched IR missiles? You've got flares, and IR jammers (on helos only?). They probably put in IR quidance because using radar quidance is suicide (from anti-radiation missiles) and IR is better than firing blind.
 
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gf0012-aust    RE:Does Iraq have any electronic or information warfare capabilities?   12/1/2003 4:11:03 AM
No, what I'm saying is that it was a hybrid missile and demonstrated a degree of sophistication that the US didn't think existed. It was assumed that the Russians had done the engineering - which they vehemently denied. The system would have been a problem for an inexperienced pilot as there were two radically different signatures. They might not have been able to avoid it in time. These were never launched. The USMC picked up a truckload when doinga sweep. There is an article in one of the Proceedings mags. Can drag it up if anyone needs a ref to it.
 
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gf0012-aust    RE:Does Iraq have any electronic or information warfare capabilities?   12/1/2003 5:07:13 AM
DJ, my apols, the reference is the May edition of the Journal Of Electronic Defence. Its normally available only for members of the Old Crows (Electronic Warfare members association) Am not sure if its generally available.. As it comes with my membership. Although if you are military it should be part of some units library.
 
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Dancing Johnny    RE:Does Iraq have any electronic or information warfare capabilities?   12/4/2003 3:07:10 AM
Sorry if I'm not well versed on what missiles may have dual-mode seeker heads (i.e. IR and Radar). I did understand that you were talking about some sort of hybrid (IR seeker head added to missile nose, and reworking some of the electronics). I think the US would only be amazed that the Iraqi's could do such a modification, not the mod itself. I don't know what you mean by different signature. The missiles rocket motor wouldn't be different. If the pilot saw the launch but wasn't getting a radar warning, he might assume the missile was launched blind and the tracking radar turned on at anytime. Any good pilot will be dumping chaff and flares at this time. When I left my last squadron (navy helos) in '92, some of our helo were outfitted with IR detectors. I have to assume that most US aircraft have some sort of IR detection (detect missile launch). I don't think any good pilot would have trouble dealing with this missile threat. They may have been surprised at first (not knowing of dual-mode seekers), but would have adapted fast. Lets be glad we didn't have to test them out (or did we???).
 
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gf0012-aus    RE:Does Iraq have any electronic or information warfare capabilities?   12/4/2003 6:10:22 AM
am trying to find out more. it appears to be a situation of the marines finding a few truckloads of these. none appear to have been launched. the inference was that in light of the fact that russia vehemently denies doing the mods, then it had to be someone else. ukrainian or french technical support. everyone is denying involvement. they also literally dug out of the sand Mig 25's and Frogfoots that the iraqis had buried without proper sealing. the fact that they buried a half a dozen mig25's without proper care demonstrates either a lack of care, being in a desperate hurry, being frigging stupid. anyone of these choices tends to point out a lack of knowledge, hence no capacity to mod theses SAMS themselves.
 
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Dancing Johnny    RE:Does Iraq have any electronic or information warfare capabilities?   12/5/2003 2:47:37 AM
A good question would be if these "moded" missiles would work? How was the mod work done? Was the old radar reciever and dish ripped out and a whole new dual-mode assembly added? As far as the Russians not doing the work, that may be very true. If the missiles were made in one of the former Soviet states, then thats were you have to go and start asking questions. From the pictures and news reports I've seen so far, it looks like the Iraqi air-force and air-defence forces never recovered much from the '91 war. And they very well may have gotten rid of their WMD. But who can trust Saddam?
 
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macawman    Iraqi modified IR guided high altitude SAM threat?   3/10/2004 11:35:45 PM
The question is what happened to the SA-2 modified Iz SAMs?? The US was aware of this potential threat in the mid 90's.
 
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