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Subject: China Produces A Guam Killer
SYSOP    9/8/2014 5:35:27 AM
 
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keffler25       9/8/2014 1:05:48 PM
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Since 2008.
 
And this was a secret?
 
To who? 
 
Not to anyone I know.
 
September 8, 2014: China recently revealed (apparently by accident) the existence of the DF-26 IRBM (Intermediate Range Ballistic Missile.) This one appears to have a range of 3,500 kilometers and based on the earlier DF-21. There have been reports of such a missile since 2007 and the DF-26C appears to have been in service for several years. The DF-26C is notable because it has the range to hit American military bases in the Central Pacific island of Guam.
 
And it was NO ACCIDENT that they laid down this card now.
 
They want to get inside the head of a certain chicken-livered community organizer to tell him-"We are willing to push it as far as to surprise attack Guam with atomic weapons. Are you willing to risk central war over Guam?"  
 
This is the Guam scenario NIGHTMARE.
 
Now there is a corollary....
 
Launch sites from Kunming China to another certain island base is about 5000 kilometers, give or take a couple of hundred kilometers. Somebody better start looking for launchers THERE.  
 
 
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Gerry       9/8/2014 9:43:43 PM
Are you telling us the US has no defense against these missiles on Guam? Not Patriot missiles? No SM 2's, SM 3's? I think only half the story has been told.
 
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keffler25       9/9/2014 8:50:54 AM
No current ABM defense is perfect.
 
And with atomic weapons and a single point target you have to be perfect.
 
It would be different if the target set were spread out and dispersed. Then the attacker would have to weigh the escalation risk.
 
If the Chinese had to attack a dozen US bases instead of one, then the Beijing idiots would be the ones in the hot-seat. "Do we dare?" As it is, the situation is a bit different, the ones who have to choose are the AMERICANS.  The current CS at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue (my opinion) would trade Guam and Taiwan and DEFEAT  for no nuclear war.  .
 
And if I thought like he did, I would not blame him. Who wants to kill twenty million people over a philosophical point? Only madmen. But when that philosophical point is the issue of liberty and the national survival as a free people? 
 
I prefer a LINCOLN to a Buchanan.
 
So the Americans better figure out something quickly.
 
 
Are you telling us the US has no defense against these missiles on Guam? Not Patriot missiles? No SM 2's, SM 3's? I think only half the story has been told.

 
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HeavyD       9/15/2014 1:34:32 AM
Time to turn the Fox News and AM talk radio off, Keff. I know, I know, Obama is the root of all evil. But to blame him for allowing China to develop missile and nuke technology is kinda silly, right? Especially since they had these prior to BHO's 2008 election. So yes, the upshot is that they can reach Guam, a US Territory, with a few missiles. And we can drop hundreds and hundreds of Tomahawks on them any time, not to mention our own very superior triad. I think the problem that a lot of people have is that they project their MOdus Operandi on a different culture. You see, Chinese leaders have actually read Sun Tzu. They know that the war which is won without battle is better than rolling in to another country with sixguns a blazin'. The US has yet to learn this 2500 year old lesson. China loaned us the money to make a big clusterfuck out of Iraq, happy in the knowledge that we were securing THEIR oil supplies, and happier yet with State oil contracts. Without China engaging in battle. Now we are stuck with another even worse enemy while China has no such distraction. China's mission accomplished.
 
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joe6pack       9/15/2014 1:46:35 PM
"They know that the war which is won without battle is better than rolling in to another country with sixguns a blazin"
 
They may have heard of that Sun Tzu fellow.. I'm not sure how many of their leaders bought the book.
 
I'd suggest a little closer look at Chinese conflicts and military history from 1949 to present..
 
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keffler25       9/17/2014 10:15:08 AM
Read Joe. HD. He got it right in one.
 
The PRC has lost every war they've fought except the two they fought with India.
 
Reason? The Indians caved in.
 
Time to turn the Fox News and AM talk radio off, Keff.

Why don't you try to think instead of using slogans HD?  (attend, please.)
 
I know, I know, Obama is the root of all evil. But to blame him for allowing China to develop missile and nuke technology is kinda silly, right? Especially since they had these prior to BHO's 2008 election.
 
There was an ABM program under Bush, a rather robust one. We live off its legacy. Notice the key word 'live'. During his administration the Chinese demonstrated a crude rather ineffective ASAT to run a bluff. Promptly the US demonstrated a mid-course iuterceptor to the Beijing idiots and showed them just how far out of their league they were.  
 
Since then, the follow on programs to the Standards (THAAD and MEADS() as well as the heavy ABM sites in Alaska have been somewhat defunded by BHO. But to be fair to that incompetent, he's suddenly got religion.     
 
However. Remember what I said about spreading out the targets and no defense is perfect?
 
So yes, the upshot is that they can reach Guam, a US Territory, with a few missiles. And we can drop hundreds and hundreds of Tomahawks on them any time, not to mention our own very superior triad.

The deaths of 165,000+ US citizens mean nothing to you? Here's the thing. You want to make the deterrent so strong, so that the Beijing idiots won't miscalculate as they did with the US in Korea and with Vietnam and Russia..   
 
I think the problem that a lot of people have is that they project their MOdus Operandi on a different culture.
China's mission accomplished
You see, Chinese leaders have actually read Sun Tzu. They know that the war which is won without battle is better than rolling in to another country with sixguns a blazin'. The US has yet to learn this 2500 year old lesson. China loaned us the money to make a big clusterfuck out of Iraq, happy in the knowledge that we were securing THEIR oil supplies, and happier yet with State oil contracts. Without China engaging in battle. Now we are stuck with another even worse enemy while China has no such distraction.

But America follows Clauswitz and Mahan.
 
 
Whether you blame Biden or BHO, the fact is that it was that administration that bungled and lost the war. Then when they saw events in Syria unfold where Saddam Hussein's successors had built up for a comeback thebho CREW tried to stage a color revolution to forestall ISIL and then saw that idea blow up. (What do you think the Benghazi coverup IS ALL ABOUT?)      
 
You see, Fox News, talk radio, and YOU have it all wrong. Instead of going for the Clauswitz approach and packing Malaki on a plane to say, Qatar where he could live high on the hog with the millions he stole and putting a new stooge in there to get that status of forces agreement. the BHO administration tried to be cute and attempt a 'democratization' of the Arab world.
 
Egypt-One military dictator replaced  another.
Tunisia-same old cowboys with new hats.
Syria. Assad still hanging tough.
Libya. Utter chaos.
Iraq. Half the country is in the hands of Bazthists (ISIL) again. 
 
That was BHO's fault since it all went south as of 2010.  
 
You might want to see how the Clinton and Bush administrations used the color revolution strategy successfully by the way.  
 
And how the Russians and the Chinese REACTED to it.
 
You need to THINK^1 and stop with the slogans, HD.
 
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keffler25       9/17/2014 10:19:56 AM
 
By the way, you do know most of my sources cited are LEFT of center politically?  
 
THINK.
 
 
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