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Subject: Iranain Nuke facilities! A threat to US?????
persian_kid    5/2/2003 9:19:29 PM
US has satilite images that Iran has nuclear facilities and is makeing nukes. US want to stop them because the think its a threat to them and the world. But what do you think???
 
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god of war    RE:Iranain Nuke facilities! A threat to US?????   5/2/2003 9:52:27 PM
we will roll into iran after we finish moping up resistance in iraq.
 
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Kalashnikov    RE:Iranain Nuke facilities! A threat to US?????   5/2/2003 9:56:57 PM
I've yet to hear or see of any evidence of Iranian nukes. None of the nuclear plants are completely built yet. Besides, America won't be able to roll into Iran as it did in Iraq. The battles will become mountainous and rugged, similar to Afghanistan. The army is larger and more efficient. Besides, if America knows there are Iranian nuclear weapons, they would definately hesitate and think alot harder about who they should trample next. It's one thing to have an Axis of Evil, it's worse to have a Nuclear Axis of Evil.
 
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WinsettZ    RE:Iranain Nuke facilities! A threat to US?????   7/15/2003 5:53:27 PM
Yay, "facilities" and "nuclear infrastructure" out to get us all. It's just like the boogeyman called Saddam's nukes, except Iran can't demolish facilities and magically empty them in time for US forces. An attack on Iran will fail...the Iraqis tried with US support. Iranian F-4s had air superiority and did some raids, human waves stopped the Republican Guard and Iraqi minefields. Besides, if we hit Iran we lose the student demonstrators as popular supporters. Within a week or so of hitting Tehran they'd hate us...some pro-Iran group would start blowing stuff up, US gets blamed and one by one the students that once supported us will grow to hate us. Might be a little better then Iraq, or worse.
 
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displacedjim    RE:Iranain Nuke facilities! A threat to US?????   2/2/2004 8:18:29 PM
"An attack on Iran will fail... the Iraqis tried it with US support." Oh please! It's indisputable (or ought to be) that if we decided to invade Iran we could crush them militarily in short order. It's the political considerations that would shape the battlespace far more than the direct military considerations, and prevent any such invasion or even a limited objective strike without intensive geopolitical manuvering first. On top of that, as you address, if we meant to try to occupy Iran then we would have to try to mount an elaborate and protracted Information Operation campaign to build support both within and without Iran for regime change. The Iranian military is hardly an impediment to any serious operational plan. The Iranian people could be. Displacedjim
 
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Nanheyangrouchuan    RE:Iranain Nuke facilities! A threat to US?????   2/3/2004 4:54:56 AM
Why would we even try? Support the the Iranian program and when the clerics die off the students will remember us with a smile.
 
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hybrid    RE:Iranain Nuke facilities! A threat to US?????   2/11/2004 3:19:26 PM
Um I'll hit the iranian student movement right here, unlike most other countries Iran is not simply a dictatorship or even merely a theocracy although it has elements of both. Iran is effectively controlled by a theocratic mafia namely the mullahs. Wanna know why Bam had a death toll in the 40,000s whereas a similar quake in california only killed 2 people? Its because of the corruption and graft caused by the theocracy. They own a stake in just about every business not to mention the entire military establishment. The Iranian student movment by itself is not going to be able to overthrow the mullahs unless it gets 2 things. Major infusions of cash (liquid) and arms. Once it has that, theres a much better likelihood of a rebellion.
 
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gf0012-aus    Iranain Nuke facilities - Mid East News Update 11-2-04   2/11/2004 5:57:39 PM
News alert from the MENL update service IRAN, RUSSIA ARRANGE TO COMPLETE BUSHEHR MOSCOW [MENL] -- Iran and Russia plan to complete the last phase of the Bushehr nuclear reactor in the Persian Gulf. Representatives from the two countries plan to meet next week to discuss a schedule to complete Bushehr. Officials said the meeting will discuss work schedule, payment schedule and technical issues. On Sunday, a delegation of the Russian Atomic Energy Ministry will arrive in Teheran to review the Bushehr project. Officials said Bushehr is 90 percent complete and could be ready for operations in 2005. Russian Atomic Minister Alexander Rumyantsev said the visit will clarify prospects for Russian-Iranian cooperation in nuclear energy. Bushehr has been estimated as a $1 billion project.
 
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displacedjim    RE:Iranain Nuke facilities - Mid East News Update 11-2-04   2/11/2004 8:17:58 PM
Gee, it's only a couple hundred miles from our airbases in Kuwait and Qatar to Bushehr. Do I hear turbofans warming up...? Displacedjim
 
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sentinel28a    RE:Iranain Nuke facilities - Mid East News Update 11-2-04   2/13/2004 4:39:36 PM
No, what you hear is the sound of Jericho missiles being tuned. The mullahs start crowing that they have a bomb that can wipe out Tel Aviv, the Israelis will insure that they don't live to launch it.
 
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bsl    RE:Iranain Nuke facilities - Mid East News Update 11-2-04   2/13/2004 6:11:12 PM
"a couple hundred miles from our airbases in Kuwait and Qatar to Bushehr. Do I hear turbofans warming up...?" Probably not. If America hit Iranian facilities, I'd guess the strikes would not originate from Arab soil. Major political problems.
 
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delete    RE:Iranain Nuke facilities - Mid East News Update 11-2-04   2/29/2004 1:34:43 AM
Right now US forces in Iraq are only fighting Baathists and Sunni anti-occupation forces. God help you if the shiites join the party, and if you invade Iran they sure as hell will. USA is losing ground fast in Afghanistan, and will not secure Iraq for a long time. Attacking Iran means fighting three neigboring countries at once, totalling population about 120 million. Iran, unlike Iraq and Afghan, will put up a real fight, at least initially - USA will crush them sure but will take some serious losses in doing so. And every time a US plane gets shot down, or tank gets blown up, plenty of people in all three countries will become that much more confident, more emboldened to fight. You can crush all three governments and keep them down, but trust me you will never defeat the spirit of a united shiite force of iran and iraq, let alone Afghans warlords who have already reclaimed control of most of the country. Couple this with the overwhelming outpouring of rage from within USA and the rest of the world at the attack, and other nations sneaking the opportunity of distraction to forward their own plans - especially in colombia and N Korea. This may be strongly against your emotional nationalistic beleif, but if USA attacks Iran will be a big mistake, it will not win.
 
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sentinel28a    RE:Iranain Nuke facilities - Mid East News Update 11-2-04   2/29/2004 3:17:31 AM
Why should we invade Iran? At the rate the idiot mullahs are going, Iran's own population would do a far better job of dismantling their government than we could.
 
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Marcus    RE:Iranain Nuke facilities - Mid East News Update 11-2-04   2/29/2004 1:04:04 PM
Why should we invade Iran? At the rate the idiot mullahs are going, Iran's own population would do a far better job of dismantling their government than we could. That right but even a fully democratic goverment would maybe keep the nuclear program on going. Iran would be still in range of jericho 2 missile. they canīt ignore that threat. Irans nuclear facilities are spread all over the country and the reactor in busheer is not important
 
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sentinel28a    RE:Iranain Nuke facilities - Mid East News Update 11-2-04   3/1/2004 1:47:02 AM
I think the Israelis would be more willing to give a democratically elected, secular Iranian government the benefit of the doubt. It beats someone whose official policy is "Death to Israel."
 
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macawman    Iranain Nuke facilities in peril ?   7/21/2004 8:04:14 PM
Jul. 18, 2004 21:27 | Updated Jul. 18, 2004 22:11 Report: Israel's 'first strike' plan against Iran read By DOUGLAS DAVIS link 090121780879 Israel has completed military rehearsals for a pre-emptive strike against Iran's nuclear power facility at Bushehr, Israeli officials told the London-based Sunday Times. Such a strike is likely if Russia supplies Iran with fuel rods for enriching uranium. The rods, currently stored at a Russian port, are expected to be delivered late next year after a dispute over financial terms is resolved. An Israeli defense source in Tel Aviv, who confirmed that the military rehearsals had taken place, told the paper: "Israel will on no account permit Iranian reactors - especially the one being built in Bushehr with Russian help - to go critical." The source was also quoted as saying that any strike on the Gulf coast facility at Bushehr would probably be carried out by long-range F-15I jets, overflying Turkey, with simultaneous operations by commandos on the ground. "If the worst comes to the worst and international efforts fail," the source was quoted as saying, "we are very confident we'll be able to demolish the ayatollahs' nuclear aspirations in one go." The source noted that the strike could be accompanied by an attack on other targets, including a facility at Natanz, where the Iranians have attempted to enrich uranium, and a plant at Arak, which produces heavy water. In addition, the paper quoted a senior United States official warning of a pre-emptive Israeli strike if Russia continues cooperating with the Iranians. The Israeli source said Washington was unlikely to block Israeli military action. The paper also quoted from a classified document on the Iranian threat which was presented to Prime Minister Ariel Sharon earlier this year and which it claims to have seen. The document, entitled "The Strategic Future of Israel," was reportedly written by four of Israel's senior defense experts and advocated military action against "countries which develop nuclear weapons." It described Iran as a "suicide nation" and recommended "targeted killings" of members of the country's elite, including its leading nuclear scientists. Under an Iranian deal with Moscow, waste produced at Bushehr containing plutonium that could be used in bomb-making would be shipped back to Russia for storage. The procedure is to be supervised by the International Atomic Energy Agency, the nuclear watchdog. But according to the paper, the material must first cool, providing the Iran with what Washington fears could be up to two years in which to extract the plutonium. The paper quotes Israeli sources as saying that a quarter of a ton of plutonium could be produced each a year if Bushehr is fully functional, enough for 20 bombs. Israeli sources acknowledged, added the Sunday Times, that a pre-emptive strike against Iranian nuclear facilities could provoke "a ferocious response," which could involve Lebanese-based rocket attacks on northern Israel or terrorist attacks against Jewish and Israeli targets abroad. In a related development, London's Sunday Telegraph reported that America's bipartisan 9/11 Commission will this week report that Iran gave free passage to up to 10 of the September 11 hijackers just months before the 2001 attacks >>>and offered to co-operate with al-Qaida against the US.<<< This accusation was not reported in the US press. Macawman
 
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