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Subject: Israel Kisses Russian Ass At Ukrainian Expense
SYSOP    10/22/2014 6:54:01 AM
 
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trenchsol       10/22/2014 8:08:40 AM
The same happened back in 2008, during Russo Georgian war. Russia does not supply Arabs, except Syria, and Israel does not supply countries in Central Asia and Caucasus. However, it still leaves the possibility for Syria to pass weapons to some other countries, and I am not sure how effectively can Russia control that.
 
 
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keffler25       10/22/2014 8:59:07 AM
Not at all, TS. Some Russian tech that the PRC 'acquired' for their own reverse engineered SAMs has an interesting Arab middleman connection, with Syria being the start point and Iran being the pass on to the Chengdu bastards.
 
Russia normally tries to sell the PRC export models which lack the sophisticated in-built radar and EW features that make some Russian systems so dangerous, but Putin (nutter that he is) waived that restriction for his pet stooge, Assad; after the North Korean reactor fiasco revealed how impotent Russian supplied Syrian air defenses were and voila! China now has some rather nasty SAM systems----> facing the RUSSIANS.  
 
OOPS.

The same happened back in 2008, during Russo Georgian war. Russia does not supply Arabs, except Syria, and Israel does not supply countries in Central Asia and Caucasus. However, it still leaves the possibility for Syria to pass weapons to some other countries, and I am not sure how effectively can Russia control that.

 



 
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trenchsol       10/22/2014 6:43:27 PM

Not at all, TS. Some Russian tech that the PRC 'acquired' for their own reverse engineered SAMs has an interesting Arab middleman connection, with Syria being the start point and Iran being the pass on to the Chengdu bastards.
 
I thought as much
 
 
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Nate Dog    trench   10/22/2014 9:21:19 PM
Im not sure what you mean, from memory, israel supplied the georgians with quite a few Hermes 450, lots of which got shot down by Russki migs...
Those UAV's (which dont do well in a near peer contested environments) certainly helped the Georgians out a lot, and caused the russians to take casualties they weren't expecting, but they still got shot down.
Not sure what you mean by Israel not selling to potential russian adversaries.
As for Russia, those cowboys are selling anything to anyone. Apart from being the sole reason theres still a Syrian regime for  ISIS and rebels to fight, they sell to Iran, Iraq, Bucketloads to Egypt. 
Turkey, despite perhaps facing off against Russia over interests in Crimea/black sea, is purchasing Russian patrol boats and modern SAM's...
Israel is pussy footing around Russia in attempts to get them to play nice. In my opinion  (not worth much) this is a short sighted strategy. Russia, along with China are the whores of the arms trade, they'll sell anything to anyone. I'm pretty sure that despite Israels best diplomatic efforts, S300's still made their way into Syria, (they along with some sophisticated anti-ship missiles made the news as being targets of Israeli airstrikes, so they are being sold to them). Russia will still sell whatever they can to anyone who's willing to pay. Israel should just sell to the most western aligned nations they can, and let Russia deal with its woes as best it can.
 
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trenchsol       10/23/2014 8:21:53 AM
@Nate Dog
 
I understood that Israel supplied Georgian military until Russia objected. I remember I read some article about it back then, bu I don't know the details any more. Also I think that Ukrainian state owned weapon factory FORT is manufacturing licensed copies of TAR-21 rifle.
 
 
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ker       10/23/2014 12:30:50 PM
With the anti-Israel ppolitical movements in EU and US Israel can be expexted to keep some contingencys open. The boycote and divestment movement might change things but in the exact oposite direction that it ppromises to.
 
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