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Subject: Glock v. XD
RockyMTNClimber    7/30/2007 8:12:21 PM
I own a Glock 19 which I really like, and a Springfield XD .45, in Duty model. (4"barrel) I really like both guns and so far have found the XD to match the range performance of the Glock. I am not aware of any departments or agencies that are using any of the XD models currently but in my limited universe I have found the XD to be a pretty good performer. 13 rounds of .45 ACP +P is a quite potent side arm. The XD .45 takes advantage of the molded frame to reduce the size of the magazine well. It is very close in grip size to my Glock-19 with .45 ACP power. It also has a additional safty that the Glock models do not have with the grip safety (could that drop the reliability factor? by raising the complexity?) Has anyone else had experience with the XD? I am heading out to a bowling pin shooting tournament next weekend and the XD is going to take the place of my usual pin dropper, a Colt Python. Check Six Rocky
 
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RockyMTNClimber    ht***tp://www.springfield-armory.com/xd.php   7/30/2007 8:13:40 PM
 
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Horsesoldier       7/31/2007 12:49:30 AM
This may sound odd, but I find that the XD fits my hand better, but Glocks perform better for me at the range even though I really don't like their grip angle (I think it's the lower bore axis, making recoil less flippy).  If I were going to pick up an XD, though, it would definitely be the .45 full size, which I'd take over a Glock 21.  (Even better would be an XD 10mm, but that doesn't seem to be in the works.)
 
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GOP       7/31/2007 1:32:21 AM
Sort of off topic, but what do you guys feel about the 10mm round? I know Glock has the G20 and the G29, but never fired one. Hows the kick, terminal ballistics, etc?
 
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theBird       7/31/2007 10:37:50 AM
I've never fired the 10mm, but I do know it costs more per round than almost any other (except maybe your .50 AE or other monsters), meanwhile, while 9mm is cheapest, .40 is in close second.  I have gotten a chance to fire some .357 sig, and recoil wasn't too bad, almost same as .40.  Most policemen I know regard it as a magic bullet, though it is expensive (not as much as the 10 mm though)
 
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RockyMTNClimber    10mm & Ergonomics   7/31/2007 11:31:04 AM

This may sound odd, but I find that the XD fits my hand better, but Glocks perform better for me at the range even though I really don't like their grip angle (I think it's the lower bore axis, making recoil less flippy).  If I were going to pick up an XD, though, it would definitely be the .45 full size, which I'd take over a Glock 21.  (Even better would be an XD 10mm, but that doesn't seem to be in the works.)



I have read that Springfield and their Croatian Mfg. for the XD did allot of work on ergonomics to make the XD a natural fit in the hand and I think it paid off. This gun fits right for me too.
 
10mm's never really took off like some said they would. A little too much recoil I think for the benefit. It is very comparable to the .357 magnum with a heavy bullet. For a daily carry I think it was just too much, not even addressing the expense factor which is certainly there. One of the Federal Agencies (U.S.S.S.?) adopted it for a short time and then moved to the .40 S&W because the troops didn't care for it. The 10 is a heavy handgun suitable for taking White Tail deer or wild pigs. Kinda like the .41 Mag.. I already own some guns in that capability range so I never looked seriously at owning one.
 
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ChdNorm       7/31/2007 1:05:09 PM
I'm not real big on polymer framed pistols, but I like the XD. Compared to the Glock, it seems Springfield got the grip angle right. I'm not too sure about the grip safety though ... seems a bit superfluous to me.
 
On the 10mm ... I freakin love it. It's a great round for just about anything you could want out of a defence pistol. It's got a remarkably wide sweet spot when reloading.  It's pretty hard on pistols though. I shot a Colt Delta Elite in matches for a few years, and wound up going thru two of them before I went back to .45ACP. One frame cracked around hole for the slide stop, the second one broke the slide stop itself.  Both of them looked like someone had taken a ball peen hammer to the underside of the slide after a few thousand rounds (I never did figure that one out ... ). In the end, for me, it just wasn't worth the added aggravation of additional repairs and maintenance.  But, no other autoloading round really compares when you need range and power all in one. Out to 100 yards there's really no appreciable drop to compensate for, and it's still packing a hell of a punch. And talk about absolutely slamming a popper down at 10 yards!
 
It was the FBI that adopted the S&W 1076. Their original idea was to be able to issue two distinct levels of power out of one platform. In those days, most agents carried the .38 Spl. 158 Gr SWCHP+P in their issue Model 13s. Only agents that qualified specifically with .357 Mag, and were in a high risk assignment, were authorized to carry .357 Magnum rounds. The plan was to carry that over after transitioning to autos with the downloaded 180Gr JHP @ about 850FPS as the standard load, with the same bullet @ 1300FPS as the .357 equivalent for issue.
 
I think in the end, for the FBI's needs, it was more of a problem with the 1076 than the 10mm itself. The 1076 is a big heavy all steel pistol that's hard to conceal. For uniformed carry, it's a pretty decent pistol though. There were a few police agencies that went with it and were generally happy.  I know the Kentucky State Police used the 1076 for quite a while before transitioning to the Glock 22 just recently.
 
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ChdNorm       7/31/2007 2:07:15 PM
I'm not real big on polymer framed pistols, but I like the XD. Compared to the Glock, it seems Springfield got the grip angle right. I'm not too sure about the grip safety though ... seems a bit superfluous to me.
 
On the 10mm ... I freakin love it. It's a great round for just about anything you could want out of a defence pistol. It's got a remarkably wide sweet spot when reloading.  It's pretty hard on pistols though. I shot a Colt Delta Elite in matches for a few years, and wound up going thru two of them before I went back to .45ACP. One frame cracked around hole for the slide stop, the second one broke the slide stop itself.  Both of them looked like someone had taken a ball peen hammer to the underside of the slide after a few thousand rounds (I never did figure that one out ... ). In the end, for me, it just wasn't worth the added aggravation of additional repairs and maintenance.  But, no other autoloading round really compares when you need range and power all in one. Out to 100 yards there's really no appreciable drop to compensate for, and it's still packing a hell of a punch. And talk about absolutely slamming a popper down at 10 yards!
 
It was the FBI that adopted the S&W 1076. Their original idea was to be able to issue two distinct levels of power out of one platform. In those days, most agents carried the .38 Spl. 158 Gr SWCHP+P in their issue Model 13s. Only agents that qualified specifically with .357 Mag, and were in a high risk assignment, were authorized to carry .357 Magnum rounds. The plan was to carry that over after transitioning to autos with the downloaded 180Gr JHP @ about 850FPS as the standard load, with the same bullet @ 1300FPS as the .357 equivalent for issue.
 
I think in the end, for the FBI's needs, it was more of a problem with the 1076 than the 10mm itself. The 1076 is a big heavy all steel pistol that's hard to conceal. For uniformed carry, it's a pretty decent pistol though. There were a few police agencies that went with it and were generally happy.  I know the Kentucky State Police used the 1076 for quite a while before transitioning to the Glock 22 just recently.
 
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DarthAmerica    Rocky   7/31/2007 8:33:07 PM


I own a Glock 19 which I really like, and a Springfield XD .45, in Duty model. (4"barrel)

I really like both guns and so far have found the XD to match the range performance of the Glock. I am not aware of any departments or agencies that are using any of the XD models currently but in my limited universe I have found the XD to be a pretty good performer. 13 rounds of .45 ACP +P is a quite potent side arm. The XD .45 takes advantage of the molded frame to reduce the size of the magazine well. It is very close in grip size to my Glock-19 with .45 ACP power. It also has a additional safty that the Glock models do not have with the grip safety (could that drop the reliability factor? by raising the complexity?)

Has anyone else had experience with the XD? I am heading out to a bowling pin shooting tournament next weekend and the XD is going to take the place of my usual pin dropper, a Colt Python.

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Rocky


I own both of those weapons. I've had the Glock for years and I picked up the XD in Dec or Jan, cant exactly remember. AWESOME guns. Both of them. I can't really say which is better. If it was possible I would gladly trade my issued side arm for either of them.
 
I shoot A LOT back home. So ammo cost does play a role. You know the Glock wins there. Of course its also easier to conceal. Not by much but you take advantage of everything you can. Accuracy wise both are great but the Glock is noticably better. That could just be because I am more familiar with it too. It does have a much better trigger pull and trigger reset though. That and the 9mm low recoil make it a great weapon. This gun double taps tiiiiiight. I think its a bit lighter due to the lower weight of the 9mm rounds. The grip and trigger guard are not too comfortable though.
 
The XD is obviously more powerful. Still conceal without too much trouble. It also manages all those rounds(13+) of .45 ACP. And the ergonomics are way better. I love the serrations on the front of the slide and thinnes of the grip. That matters a lot when you have small hands. Oh and the loaded chamber indicator and firing pin indicators are awesome even if not totally necessary. This weapon is also very good at rapid fire and accuracy. If I have to nit pick and find something I dont like about it I would say that it has a lot of protrusions and is a bit "thick". Tuck it in your waistband and you would notice a difference between this and the much more streamlined Glock. I know they offer aftermarket trigger mods and I'll be sure to get one when I can.
 
I'm just glad that I own both of these Guns.
 
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RockyMTNClimber    You Scare me DA   7/31/2007 9:29:32 PM
 
We both own 340PD's too.
 
Trigger on the XD works for me just fine and the reason it is so "thick" I think is to absorb recoil energy. They were not aiming at a Kahr.45 when they developed the XD but direct competition to the Glock service models. An interesting thing I noticed is the magazines on the XD are really heavy stainless steel. The heaviest handgun magazines I can think of come to think of it. I believe once they are locked into the frame they are an integral part of the gun's structure. Maybe they did that to compensate for the fact they went light on the material in the grip to keep it slimmer than most staggered column .45 grip areas.
 
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DarthAmerica       8/1/2007 9:42:33 AM

 

We both own 340PD's too.

 

Trigger on the XD works for me just fine and the reason it is so "thick" I think is to absorb recoil energy. They were not aiming at a Kahr.45 when they developed the XD but direct competition to the Glock service models. An interesting thing I noticed is the magazines on the XD are really heavy stainless steel. The heaviest handgun magazines I can think of come to think of it. I believe once they are locked into the frame they are an integral part of the gun's structure. Maybe they did that to compensate for the fact they went light on the material in the grip to keep it slimmer than most staggered column .45 grip areas.


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Rocky

Rocky,
Yeah I know its not a Kahr, too bad because I love those pistols. Also, I'm sure that the bulk of the XD is no coincidence. It's just that I mostly carry concealed back in the States, so my requirements are more oriented that way. This gives the Glock an advantage since it is by far superior in that role. But if I were choosing a duty weapon or a weapon that I didn't really hide that much then the XD is hard to beat. The .45 ACP round and 13 round capacity is awesome. Although I'm not a subscriber to "knockdown power" or "big bore" myths. I am a big fan of the .45 ACP on principle! Its all preference and I'm really torn when it comes to these two weapons.

-DA
 
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