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Subject: Rifle sights
flamingknives    11/25/2007 8:44:50 AM
Gents, wondering if any of you would have some input on this: I'm looking for a low magnification (4x would be about right) sight with an illuminated recticle and an arrow-type recticle rather than a cross hair. For a target shooting discipline from 20 yards with a .22 semi-automatic carbine. The target is a black circle and I have difficulty distinguishing black sight elements against it. It doesn't help that I have astigmatism, so crosshairs are always a little odd.
 
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ChdNorm       11/25/2007 2:04:20 PM
The first thing that pops into my head, is it sounds like you're pretty much describing an ACOG. They're great optics, but you definitely pay for that greatness. Without spending $1,000+, the only other ones that come to mind would be the 1.5-5X Leupolds with the illuminated circle and dot style reticles. You're still looking at around the $500+ range for them. They may be cheaper if they also offer them in the Vari-X II line, but all I have ever looked at were Vari-X III models. They're every bit as good as the ACOGs as far as optics, they just aren't quite as rugged.
 
If 4X magnification isn't an absolute must, you might look into an Aimpoint as well. I can't remember the exact model numbers at the moment, but I believe they have some in the COMP line that would fit the bill. They have a few fixed power 2X sights in there. I believe those 2X models have smaller MOA dots as well, in the 2 MOA range at least. Last I saw those models were right in the $500 range as well.
 
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Yimmy       11/25/2007 2:35:23 PM
Not to be rude, but do you really need an optical sight for 20m's?
 
Have you considered a fine peep sight, with a white tipped foresight to contrast with the black?
 
 
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flamingknives       11/25/2007 2:45:54 PM
It's a pretty small target Yimmy, it's not like I'm engaging Figure 11s at that distance.  

Having a magnifying optic allows you to spot the target rather than muck about with a spotting scope.
 
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bob the brit       11/25/2007 2:54:14 PM

It's a pretty small target Yimmy, it's not like I'm engaging Figure 11s at that distance.  

Having a magnifying optic allows you to spot the target rather than muck about with a spotting scope.

i'm curious FK, what model .22 semi is it?
 
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bob the brit       11/25/2007 2:55:30 PM

It's a pretty small target Yimmy, it's not like I'm engaging Figure 11s at that distance.  

Having a magnifying optic allows you to spot the target rather than muck about with a spotting scope.

...at twenty yards?
 
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bob the brit       11/25/2007 2:56:17 PM
i've not heard of this shooting discipline.
 
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Yimmy       11/25/2007 2:58:50 PM



It's a pretty small target Yimmy, it's not like I'm engaging Figure 11s at that distance.  


Having a magnifying optic allows you to spot the target rather than muck about with a spotting scope.



...at twenty yards?



I would assume he means to spot the holes, to save walking down.
 
At my gunclub we use pistol targets, which are a scored 10 ring target with a small black circle centre.  You don't need a magnified scope at 50m's for these, let alone 20m's.
 
I am not such a great shot myself, nor do I have very good eyes, but as a principle I would think using a magnified scope at 20m's to be counter-productive as far as marksmanship goes.
 
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Yimmy       11/25/2007 3:00:10 PM
To not be an arse though, Schmitt and Bender make very fine quality fixed power scopes down to at least 6X if not 4X magnification, and you can choose from a wide selection of cursors.  Try looking on their site fk.
 
 
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flamingknives       11/25/2007 3:12:37 PM
The discipline is called Light Sports Rifle.

The basics of it are:
Semi-automatic .22 rimfire
Any sights, optical, magnifying or otherwise
No supports.
Target with a large black area but small centre (10 ring is about 5-10mm)

Firing from prone, I'll happily engage much smaller targets from further away with non-optical sights (although it's an indoor range, so I don't often get the oppotunity to be much further away). However, this discipline is shot using optical sights, so there you go. If you don't like that, take issue with the NSRA.


 
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bob the brit       11/25/2007 4:05:54 PM

The discipline is called Light Sports Rifle.

The basics of it are:
Semi-automatic .22 rimfire
Any sights, optical, magnifying or otherwise
No supports.
Target with a large black area but small centre (10 ring is about 5-10mm)

Firing from prone, I'll happily engage much smaller targets from further away with non-optical sights (although it's an indoor range, so I don't often get the oppotunity to be much further away). However, this discipline is shot using optical sights, so there you go. If you don't like that, take issue with the NSRA.




fair enough.. i didn't have a problem with it, just curious. what yimmy said makes sense about the spotting scope, didn't think of that one. still wondering what model rifle it is exactly?
 
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