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Subject: Best Semi auto Pistol today?
Philippine Soldier    10/30/2003 9:29:00 AM
I love pistol shooting. I currently own and use the best plastic gun in the world, the Glock model 35. I have a calibre 40 S&W and magazine capacity is 15. It is very light, tough and reliable. I would like to hear from other peoples opinion. Which semi auto pistol is available in the market right now that is worth looking at. Is is the Para ordnance, Colt or others.
 
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ChdNorm    RE:Unertl The Scopemaker goes Pistola   11/4/2003 8:36:44 PM
I have no experiance with the unertl .... i didnt even know they were making them now. But I always go with the springfields. Is it just me, or is Colt just living off their reputation? I've yet to see a colt made in the last ten years that was very far above a Norinco. The Kimbers are nice by any measure, but something about them just doesnt feel right to me. I think its the grip safety they use? Dollar for dollar though ... I always stick to the springfields.
 
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JROTCKid    RE:Unertl The Scopemaker goes Pistola   11/5/2003 3:17:01 PM
All most all 1911s have the safety under the hammer at the hilt of the grip that you have to depress. I dont care for them. I call a safety an empty chamber that you charge the weapon when you need it .Im sorry but if your stupid enough to walk around ed and locked you deserve to shoot your self .
 
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ChdNorm    Cocked and Locked   11/6/2003 9:41:41 PM
Actually, the 1911 series pistols are very safe in this mode of carry. Aside from the grip safety and thumb safety, the series 80's with the passive firing pin safety are as safe, if not safer than, any other handgun out there. In the event of a broken full hammer notch, even if all other systems fail, the hammer will not fire a chambered cartridge, as it will simply engage the half . I have carried 1911s extensively in the military, civilian law enforcement, and concealed carry. Never once had a negligent discharge. Its a simple matter of training. Any weapon carried in condition three (loaded mag, empty chamber) might as well be left at home. A case can also be made that condition three carry can also lead to a more dangerous situation than condition one (ed and locked). Many times, especially in law enforcement, the need arises to draw your sidearm when a round will never be fired (Felony stops, building searches, warrant services ... things of that nature). Condition three will leave you having to chamber a round before going into action. Not only is this too slow and awkard to be of much use, it also leaves you holding a weapon that is ed and off safe with many pistols (traditional DA/SA S&W, Berretta, Sig, Ruger, basically all but DAO and Glocks). The potential for a negligent discharge is huge. Regardless of what brand or make of weapon you carry, your primary safety is always located conveniently between your ears.
 
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JROTCKid    RE:Cocked and Locked   11/7/2003 4:36:05 PM
So if you charge the slide with the saftey off there is the potential for discharge ?
 
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ChdNorm    RE:Cocked and Locked   11/7/2003 5:02:39 PM
exactly, youre holding an off safe weapon that is ready to fire. Depending upon the situation (such as holding a Felon at gun point while taking them into custody, covering a suspect until assistance arrives, or even moving to cover) It may not cross your mind to de or make safe your weapon creating the likelyhood, not just the possibility that unless your trigger finger knows not to go anywhere near the trigger until the moment you are ready to fire you will screw the pooch at the worst possible time. Many lawsuits and unjustified shootings have resulted from that over the years. Its probably more an issue more of civil and criminal liability than handgun design ... but its solved by training. With the 1911 type handguns, as well as most other SA autos there is no way to operate the slide with the safety engaged. With designs such as the SIGs, some Berrettas, Rugers, Smith & Wessons, there is no safety to engage, only the deer. If condition three is what you really prefer then a pistol like the Glock or DAO designs would be much safer. Although to me, regardless of what pistol it is it needs to be carried in a mode where it can be rapidly employed shearly by the nature of engagements handguns are meant and utilized most often for. youve got time to make a condition three handgun ready to be put into action ....... in my opinion, youve got time to grab up a shotgun, SMG, or rifle.
 
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ChdNorm    RE:Cocked and Locked   11/7/2003 5:04:02 PM
why wont this let me say "d e c o c k e d" or "c o c k e d"? thats driving me nuts when i re read them!
 
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ripsaw    RE:Unertl The Scopemaker goes Pistola   11/7/2003 9:52:04 PM
as long as the 1911 is in good mechanical shape and carried in a well fitted holster ed and locked is the only way to carry it. if i only had the option of carrying it with an empty chamber i'd sooner carry a .44 special revolver. still the 1911 has a crappy extractor, glocks rule.
 
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Sam    Safe weapon   11/7/2003 10:12:56 PM
A complete safe weapon is weapon on fire, hammer ed, round in chamber, finger off the trigger and a shooter with brains. There are no unsafe weapons only unsafe shooters. You must get into the mindset that there are no such things as "accidental" discharges only negligent discharges and mechanical failure. (I do know about mechanical failures on very few weapons, such as sears on some M-240Gs)
 
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ChdNorm    RE:Sam   11/7/2003 10:54:01 PM
One of these days I'll have to get you to show me how to sum it all up as accurately as you without rambling incoherently for 30 minutes ..... lol
 
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JROTCKid    RE:Sam   11/8/2003 5:22:37 PM
Yea the 45 is notorious for the Famous "Stovepipe jam " I got one on the third round out of a Springfield the very first time i fired a 45. I still thought it was better than the baby glock i fired . The baby has some kick in 40 though
 
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