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Subject: Which is the best 9mm pistol?
Question    11/30/2003 9:32:27 AM
By best,i mean grip,accuracy,reloading function,safety,recoil,etc.Ive heard a lot about the SIG,nice and easy to use.Then theres the glock...17 i think....and the berretta.And probably a lot more.Which do you think is the best?
 
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big79       10/4/2008 6:51:57 AM
i have a hi power and use it as my carry pistol
its good points
very large capacity magizine(i have 2 20's that i lod 18 in)
ergonomical
very simplevery reliable
very over built( if any 9mm will handle a +p+ it owuld be a hi power.
 
bad points
large frame auto poistol
heavy
must be some what strong shooter will smoke stack if you limp wrist it
 
as for 9mm's i alternatly load hydoshocks and fmj's this gives you pentration and energy transfer.
 
also some have said that 9mm are not effective at killing people i would bet srgt. york would disagree he killed 7 charging germans with 1 clip of 9mm from a luger, one shot in each.
the reason the us and the british have 45 caliber rounds in thier inventory is because the 38 special that they used was fould to lack killing power in wars in india and the philipeans, in these areas the soldier were fighting people who would bind thier bodies together with bamboo and take opeum and would be difficult to kill with the 38 special because it would only penatrate, so they developed 45 caliber pistol and rifle round to physicall rip apart the bodie gaurenteeing a stop.
 
as for the military the m9 nomatter how bad its design is it is not designed to be an offensive weapon it was meant to be deployed to soldier who need a weapon to defend them selves but who are not going to likely use this weapons or have access to better weapons,(such as truck drivers, tankers, officer, artillery crews, ect)
 
as for penetration vs energy, i believe it is a balance of both but my experience hunting and butchering dear have shown me two distinct types of woulds, high velocity rounds such as a 243(30-06 necked down to a 23 caliber bullet) will penetrate with a small hole travel through with minimal damage until reaching the back of the obdy and will blow out about a 2 inch chunk of muscle.
i also hunt with a 54 caliber black powder muzzle loader, it penetrates with a smaller hole than the 243 but bounces around within the rib cage and causes massive internal damge and never penetrates 
the result is that both dear die the 243 dear walked about 40 yrds and droped, and the 54caliber dear i knocked into a 15 ft vallley and died on strike so what do i deduce from this both bullets worked and i don't care other than that.
i tend to preffer the old fat slow moving bullets because a larger surface area allows for the most energy transfer but with that said a expanding 9mm will usually expand from .35 inch to between .40 and .45 in and a .45 inch bullet will expand to .48-.55.
i have seen dear shot with every thing from 44 mags-75 caliber muzzle loaders if you get a shot in the chest cavity you will kill with any of them.
 
now as for vests small caliber bullets will always have a tendency to show better penetration into clay behind a vest because of the way a vest works,  a vest is designed to resist penatration by dispersing the energy through the threads of kevlar all across the vest. so the larger the surface area of the bullet the more thread are engaged. that being sasid i would rather have hit a guy with a 45 in a vest than a 9, a lvl3 vest will stop a slug from a shot gun but i would never want to be the guy that got hit.
 
 
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RockyMTNClimber    Nit Picking.....   10/6/2008 3:54:38 PM
Sgt. York used a USG1911 in his famous engagement (1) and the .243 Winchester was developed using the USG 7.62x51 NATO round as the it's basis.  The less famous .240 Weatherby used the -06 casing as the platform to develop their cartridge (2).
 
1. ht***tp://www.sgtyorkdiscovery.com/uploads/SYDE_Report_April_2008.pdf
 
2. Nosler's Reloading guide number 4, page 177
 
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sofa       10/9/2008 11:07:55 AM
best 9mm pistol is the one you traded in for a .45,
 
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sofa       10/9/2008 11:08:01 AM
best 9mm pistol is the one you traded in for a .45, or
 
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sofa       10/9/2008 11:08:06 AM
best 9mm pistol is the one you traded in for a .45,
 
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sofa       10/9/2008 11:08:09 AM
best 9mm pistol is the one you traded in for a .45, or
 
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sofa       10/9/2008 11:08:15 AM
best 9mm pistol is the one you traded in for a .45, or maybe
 
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sofa       10/9/2008 11:11:54 AM
sorry for multiple posts - not my intention. page and/or pc went nuts.
 
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coolwill       11/2/2008 5:39:53 PM
spend a little more cash  for a glock g34 or beretta 90-Two.  just awesome.
 
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BasinBictory       2/24/2009 7:02:10 AM
I decided to bump this thread because there has been scant mention of the more recent entries into the 9mm market, namely the Springfield xD (and xDM) and the S&W M&P polymer-framed pistol. One of the things that seems to have been discussed fairly often on this thread is that ergonomics is important, but ergonomics is highly subjective and is unique to each user - meaning that the guns that feel comfortable and "shootable" to me might feel like a 2x4 to you. In that regard, the S&W M&P series comes with interchangeable backstraps (small,medium and large) which will probably manage to give a comfortable grip to 90+ percent of shooters, as opposed to the perhaps 75% with any standard, non-alterable grip. While the M&P was, IIRC, the first gun to have this feature, many other polymer-frame pistol manufacturers are following suit.
 
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