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Subject: Which is the best 9mm pistol?
Question    11/30/2003 9:32:27 AM
By best,i mean grip,accuracy,reloading function,safety,recoil,etc.Ive heard a lot about the SIG,nice and easy to use.Then theres the glock...17 i think....and the berretta.And probably a lot more.Which do you think is the best?
 
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ChdNorm    RE:Hi Power and feeding   4/17/2004 4:02:01 PM
My Browning is a .40, one of the MkIIIs. It wouldn't feed anything but the 180gr FMJ. I tried having it throated and the feedramp polished but it just never would feed Federal 155gr JHP more than 80-90% of the time. After messing with it for awhile and getting nowhere and hearing more and more about the .357 Sig from troopers that recently made the switch,I ordered a Bar-sto .357 Sig Barrell for it. That was just about three months ago, so I don't have more than probably two or three hundred rounds thru it so far. I've yet to have so much as a bobble at all though. I'm growing very fond of the bottleneck round as far as feeding. Accuracy isnt as good as I had hoped for though. Seeing as how it still shoots a 9mm projectile, I'm saying that's my favorite. Of course, if yall let me get away with this ... it's just a matter of time till I try submitting a Combat Commander in .38 Super!
 
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eon    RE:.38 Super   4/19/2004 11:58:18 AM
I also use a Star Super A in 9x23mm Largo, which is basically a rimless .38 Super. Accurate, reliable, very little recoil, and with Blazer 124gr. JHPs very effective on small game. One of my favorite "trail guns"..
 
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Zerbrechen    RE:.38 Super   4/19/2004 10:41:38 PM
If you all are going to get into "alternative 9mm's" then I gotta vote for the 1919 9mm Steyr. No magazines to get in the way, just stripperclips. A cool rotating-lock barrel keeps you barrel in line, and disassembly is simple with a pin in the front. If I could use a SA for a duty weapon, that'd be it (although my chief may have a hard time with ammo).
 
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boris the romanian    RE:.38 Super   4/19/2004 10:53:40 PM
I'm actually a fan of the Mauser broom-handle :)
 
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Ghost11    RE:Which is the best 9mm pistol?   4/20/2004 8:38:47 AM
I think that best pistol is S&W model 1076 despite its 10mm chamber.
 
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Steve    RE:Which is the best 9mm pistol?   4/22/2004 1:16:19 PM
With all due respect to the Hi-Power guys, the Sig 226 and 228 are far better pistols. I've owned a Browning for about 10 years now and I'd trade it in on a Sig in a second. I'm not usually a fan of compact pistols, but the first time I picked up the M11 it felt so good in my hand that I knew it would shoot well. I don't know how much choice US soldiers have in weapon selection, Canadian soldiers sure don't have much, but I'd work pretty hard to get an M11 over an M9. So much of pistol use is determined by the ergonomic fit that there is probably no final answer to this. I'd sure like to try a HK USP though.
 
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Bigbro    RE:Which is the best 9mm pistol?   4/23/2004 7:02:18 AM
Question, I have shot the berretta, SIG, Rugar, P-38, High Power, 1911, S&W and some others. Up until year befor last I was averaging about 5000 rds/yr through hand guns. this is my feelings on the issue. For engageing multiple targets a single action weapon will allow you to ingage with better accuracy and faster times. this is due to the trigger pull. For reloads a metal framed pistol with metal mags is faster. The grip depends on hand size, grip strength and length of fingers. Recoil in the same weight weapon is the same, recovery time is different, subjectively I would put the Sig, Glock, hi-power and 1911 in the same range as very good. For me the P-38 was at the bottom of the range. Safety- in many ways this depends on the level of training of the operator. Reliability and durability for me is a big issue. I know that some PD's that are using P++ ammo are requireing that the 92F's be checked for slide cracks on a very regular interval. Glocks hold up well but seem to be very ammunition sensitive in terms of reliabiltiy and do not always like cast bullet loads. The 1911's will need a new recoil spring every 2000 rds or so, and I would think that the Hi-Power would be about the same. I have found the 9mm par. wanting and no longer own one. I am in the process of having a new pistol built and it will be of 9mm but it will be a 9x23 winchester. it will be on a 1911 platform will the ability to take high cap mags. it will be compenstated have a 2.5 to 3 pound trigger pull, bevelled mag well and am leaning to a EOtech sight. this will not be a carry gun. For my carry guns I carry a 1911 .45 or a glock 30. Most of the departments in our area allow the officers to carry what ever double action weapon they want. Most new officers will start out with a 92F then they start trading up. most of the guys end up with SIGs, Glocks or HK's.
 
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ChdNorm    BigBro   4/23/2004 4:48:42 PM
You sound like an IPSC shooter?
 
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N0_quarteR    RE:Which is the best 9mm pistol?   4/23/2004 10:01:33 PM
there was a question on here as to why the berreta was the perferred pistol by the US military. One reason that was suggested was the NATO compatibility, which is true. THis is true both for stockpiling the same type of ammo as our allies, but also a politcal agreement to pu tthe same size hole (perhaps too small) in our enimies. The reason the beretta 92F (and the later 92FS) were chosen over many domestic and foreign designs is its ease of use for soldier who do not handle their weapons often. This applies especially to Navy personel that rarely see their weapons, much less fire them. So the US Armed Forces opted for a pistol that could be used almost intuitively by personel. The Beretta 92 satisfies this in three ways. The first is ease of operation. This firearm is quite comfortable to shoot, even for people of small sizes. Although many of the safety features are virtually the same as domestic pistols (ie S&W M59) they are layed out in a simple fashion, and can be easily converted for a left-handed shooter. The second feature of the 92F is the way it comes up. A person who is familiar with the basics of shooting can pick up this weapon and be fairly accurate, especially when it counts. A third parameter of the pistol was for it to be field stripped easily. This is important for both cleaning and for destroying the weapon in case of an impending defeat by an enemy force. This destruction ability has always been important, however as I have field stripped both the Beretta 92 and the Springfield M1911, I can say that the Model 92 goes back together much more easily. The 1911-style pistol requires quite a bit of effort to get it back together. In the military respect, as they need a general sidearm for all troops, I would call the Beretta 92 the most effective weapon. I am a .45 man though...and would prefer such.
 
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eon    RE:Which is the best 9mm pistol?   4/24/2004 8:03:54 AM
I'd have to agree w/No_quarter on the fieldstrip issue. I can sstrip and reassemble a 1911 with my eyes shut in about five minutes (I was faster when I did it every day or so- thirty years ago). But when teaching others, I've found that I can teach anyone of normal IQ to strip, clean and reassemble the M9 in under five minutes; by comparison, the Browning-type pistols require considerably more teacher/student interaction to get it right (especially due to the 1911's swinging link- one of its less "user-friendly" features when reassembling). As to the Glocks, they're excellent pistols, but on the one I used to have (a Glock 20 10mm) I often ended up swearing after trying to hold the takedown buttons down just enough to remove the slide group. I wish they'd made them a bit larger. I think the Star Super A represents the "best of both worlds"- it's essentially a P-35 with a sinngle-column magazine, and a takedown system almost identical to that of the Beretta M9. It just arrived in the 1950s instead of the 1970s..
 
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