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Subject: Russia / Georgia in all out war...
The Lizard King    8/8/2008 9:40:38 AM
Russia has invaded Georgia.
 
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doggtag       8/8/2008 10:24:07 AM
So that means the price of oil is gonna shoot back up by about $10-15 a barrel, right?
 
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Nasty German Idiot       8/8/2008 10:49:07 AM
Still trying to find out what Georgia wants to gain by its offensive on a Russian protected province ...
 
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Hugo    NGI   8/8/2008 11:42:04 AM
...a Russian protected province of Georgia`s....
 
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Nasty German Idiot       8/8/2008 12:08:05 PM
Of course - technically ( and by international law !) it is Georgian territory, still in reality Russia has never lost its grip on South Ossetia - Chechnya is also nearby and rebels have crossed over since years.
 
Thing is, they cant handle Russia and wont get much help from the West. 

 
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Phaid       8/8/2008 12:34:15 PM
Georgia claims to have shot down two Russian jets over its territory.
 
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The Lizard King       8/8/2008 12:59:36 PM
"Thing is, they cant handle Russia and wont get much help from the West."
 
Since early 2002, the U.S. government has given a healthy amount of military aid to Georgia....
 
 
 
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DarthAmerica       8/8/2008 3:13:19 PM
FYI-
 
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00_Chem_AJB       8/8/2008 6:59:36 PM
Even with Georgia receiving US military aid that doesn't mean the US will do anything, the US gives Pakistan military aid yet if they don't shape up you are prepared to cross the boarder to route out Al Qaeda and Taliban positions, (who ever does to that I wish them success.) Even with the aid Georgia is not equipped well enough to stand against a full Russian invasion and prevail. the EU lacks the political will to do anything other then make alot of hot air, if the West does anything server in terms of sanctions then that will probably destroy any chances of a major cooperations between the two for a good few years as Russia will see this as injustice, they also supply around 25% of Europe's natural gas. We need to know who fired first, if the South Ossetian claims are true about the shelling of their capital, the Russian PK barracks and the supposed ethnic clenseing the Russia's responce seems quite just.
 
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Irish Emo dudes       8/9/2008 7:52:19 PM
This is interesting because it's not just Russia's first military operations since Chechnya but it's also a modern conventional war with cyber attacks being recorded. With the new Russian aggression around the world and a thriving economy based on oil and natural gas it is safe to safe welcome to the second cold war (how relevant is the name due to global warming?). Can someone get the numbers of oh many regular forces does Georgia has and then how many reservist? An interesting point also is what American weapons do the Georgians have? I am putting my money on small arms. I also heard Georgia had T-72's? Does that mean the two forces have equal quality of armor forces? I am also wondering if Georgians are better trained then the Russians due to the 130 American trainers? Does it give them the edge and also 2,000 combat battle harden Iraqi veterans? I would love your thoughts on these matters.
 
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EvilFishy       8/9/2008 8:24:36 PM
I am currently in Atlanta? but I don?t see any Ruskies; what gives?    
 
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The Lizard King       8/11/2008 2:58:54 AM
This was a huge tactical blunder by Georgia.  Russia's dominance in the area has increased immensely.
 
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The Lizard King       8/11/2008 7:33:06 AM
"Even with Georgia receiving US military aid that doesn't mean the US will do anything"
 
 
This may be how you feel, but does not represent reality on the ground.  The US has airlifted Georgian troops from Iraq to Georgia.
 
 
 
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Nasty German Idiot       8/11/2008 9:12:04 AM
Let alone the Groundforces, the Russians have around 20.000 Tanks and 320.000 Soldiers, compared to  9000 Professional Georgian Soldiers and 80 Tanks.   Georgian Airforce has 7 planes, and I would suspect that some are already destroyed - no match for the Russian Airforce.  Georgians are said to be able to raise 250.000 Reserves, but there has only been regular training for the Reserves since the last 2 years.  
 
No matter how much military Aid Georgia recieved so far, they have already lost and face occupation of wide parts of their territory.  
 
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andyf    kosovo-stylee   8/11/2008 1:03:05 PM
the georgians were hoping for a US charging in like in the kosovo war.
obviously not realizing that the precedent has now been set that seperatism is allowed.
they elected a right wing nationalist president who promptly decided to go and punch a bear in the face
wooops
hopefully the spin doctors wont get to the press for a while, I am waiting for the spin....
'russian nuclear capable bombers yesterday destroyed a nunnery and several schools with napalm and cluster bombs'
 
waiting for the spin
 
 
 
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DGreat1       8/11/2008 8:42:37 PM
America is going to have a difficult time holding their coalition together if they don't do something fast. It doesn't look good when your coalition partner helps you fight the war on terror and then you do nothing while Russia threatens to overrun them.
 
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