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Profiling Russian oil and gas companies- folks Georgia is beginning of Russias Oil & gas war
Le Zookeeper
8/14/2008 1:12:13 AM
Lukoil, Garzpom--who???? I know Haliburton and Cheney, but the Russians ae playing a mirror game-
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gf0012-aust
8/14/2008 3:09:32 AM
If you're going to post anything at least have the decency to spell things correctly..
are you sure you're not Herc? It's a similar trolling pattern
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Yimmy
8/14/2008 9:17:23 AM
Concerning this whole oil business - if I may ask an ignorant question - why didn't we just drill the pipeline through Armenia? I know Azerbaijan and Armenia have high tensions and the border is likely heavily mined et al, but surely taking the pipe due West was the most sensible option, rather than bending it up and through Georgia?
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Wicked Chinchilla
8/14/2008 1:18:05 PM
Georgia is on the Black Sea, Armenia is not. This provides the advantage of a sea route.
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Wicked Chinchilla
8/14/2008 1:21:56 PM
BAH, disavow that last post, it was from the gut. After looking at a map of the pipeline itself however the folly of my post is rather obvious...
I would imagine the bend upward would be a result of political tensions most likely. Armenia may not be as pro west as Azerbaijan or Georgia. That would be the most obvious. Of course, without looking at a topographical map it could be sheer geography as well. Maybe its easier to build on the terrain in that route, or the Armenians wanted to much for the pipeline. I dont imagine the official reason will be disclosed anywhere.
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The Lizard King
8/17/2008 1:07:52 PM
EUROPEANS ARE TOO DEPENDANT ON RUSSIAN RESOURCES...
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VelocityVector
8/17/2008 4:14:42 PM
BAH, disavow that last post, it was from the gut. After looking at a map of the pipeline itself however the folly of my post is rather obvious...
I would imagine the bend upward would be a result of political tensions most likely. Armenia may not be as pro west as Azerbaijan or Georgia. That would be the most obvious. Of course, without looking at a topographical map it could be sheer geography as well. Maybe its easier to build on the terrain in that route, or the Armenians wanted to much for the pipeline. I dont imagine the official reason will be disclosed anywhere.
Armenia has been one of the most pro-West countries in the Caucasus region for more than one thousand years, due in part to its early adoption of Christianity and its geoposition along the transcontinential trading routes. Armenian contributions to Western scholarship and the arts has been disproportionately excellent and they continue to punch well-above their weight.
Unfortunately, today Armenia pumps almost zero oil, its distribution paths are strangled by the border countries and its markets are insignificant in comparison with the rapidly breeding Muslim neighbors. Israel, which despite rhetoric apparently considers genocide an exclusive Jewish property, the U.S. and Europe are dumping billions of dollars military hardware and training per annum into every perceived geostrategic Caucasus country EXCEPT Armenia.
Now given their history Armenians in particular can appreciate from lengthy historical experience how the West, whose civic and religious values Armenians share, will sell out Armenia for money. Again. So the Armenians have no other choice but to host Russian bases on their soil. Perhaps Armenia will send its scientists and engineers to Russia, or even Iran, to help develop new weapons technologies.
This does not mean Armenians are not pro-West; quite the contrary, they continue to be as pro-West as one can be while operating in survival mode. IF the West truly desires a pro-West Caucasus, THEN the West had better step up and shoulder the burden. The West could, for example, take leadership and compel the building of a pan-Caucasus rail network, with guaranteed seaport access, open to ALL nations in the region. THAT could mellow the area PDQ. But will the Western weapons suppliers consent to it? (no, as it's bad for business.)
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