Pakistan is a nation now at the center of many problems. It's AlQueda's home as well as the Taliban's. Indeed the Paki intelegence services are largely credited with having invented these two murderous institutions. Although the nation of Pakistan asserts they had nothing to do with the Mumbai attacks, it is entirely possible that Pakistani based leadership and financial assistance helped make it possible.




Many in Pakistan want the benefits of a western culture and economy while others are openly attempting to start a war with neighboring India and even the US (at the same time).All of this and they have nuclear weapons.




What should the world do?




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Rocky

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-DA

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First, a few pithy bites from the Obama's scrap book is not an answer to this question. Anybody who thinks it is, is misinformed. Any POTUS who thinks it is is criminally negligent and are about to get allot of US killed. now to the problem of Pakistan: Pakistan has given US, through the PRC, nuclear N.Korea, and by extension, nuclear Iran. Pakistan has given US the AlQueda we now spend $ billions and several thousand US lives hunting into their graves, Pakistan gave US the Taliban (the better to control Afghanistan). Pakistan now protects said terror groups on their soil. They are clever about it but by hiding them in an area that is not controlled by their Pakistani military (how convenient), Waziristan.

Basic good analysis..

 

Who wants to bet that if anybody else invaded Waziristan the Paki's would find the ability to 'control' the tribes? No takers on that bet I'm sure. Pakistani nationals are all about filling the volunteer ranks of terrorist groups. Largely responsible for attacks in the UK. Pakistan, like our friends in Saudi Arabia, have thousands of Madras cranking out hate, keeping the violence cycles fed with fresh suicide bombers and old fashioned murderers of babies and unarmed women. In order to do this at the levels they have, for as long as they have, it isn't limited to a few kooky Generals and a couple or rouge agents in their intelligence service.

 

Again a good read.

 

Pakistan is a nation state sponsoring world wide terror. They aren't all sponsoring mass murder. As I said in my opening statement on this thread many in Pakistan are western leaning. Those folks don't control the military, the police, or the judicial side of the Government. The western leaning Pakistani's (who just might be the majority) are along for the terrorist ride with their blood lusting neighbors and their military/intelligence apparatus.

 Actually I now disagree. I think those liars at least in their government are fully cognizant of what is happening inside of their country and that they approve of it. I saw this with Musharif and I see it now with this new bozo, Syed Yousaf Raza Gillani   that they elected. They change the chairs; but until I see Aga Khan executed or the Pak Army moving into Wazirristan and sweeping Rawalpindi for terrorists where AQ  operates out in the open, I estimate it is official Pak policy to make war on the United States by proxy.   

Their attacks are getting more brazen as the attack on India shows. These were not a few wild eyed radicals with AKs out to shoot a few infidels. Those pukes were trained, financed, equipped, and deployed by somebody with allot of money and the ability to stay under people's radar while plotting and executing this attack. That means assistance from a nation state to me. Pakistan.

ISI.

What measures should now be taken by the world community to reign in Pakistan?

 

 

That would mean something like Al Qaeda or ISI elements directly seizing and threatening to use nuclear werapons. At that moment, then it would become incumbent to fight that war.  Of course by then, it will be too late.

 

 

Herald

First, a few pithy bites from the Obama's scrap book is not an answer to this question. Anybody who thinks it is, is misinformed. Any POTUS who thinks it is is criminally negligent and are about to get allot of US killed. now to the problem of Pakistan: Pakistan has given US, through the PRC, nuclear N.Korea, and by extension, nuclear Iran. Pakistan has given US the AlQueda we now spend $ billions and several thousand US lives hunting into their graves, Pakistan gave US the Taliban (the better to control Afghanistan). Pakistan now protects said terror groups on their soil. They are clever about it but by hiding them in an area that is not controlled by their Pakistani military (how convenient), Waziristan.

 

 

Who wants to bet that if anybody else invaded Waziristan the Paki's would find the ability to 'control' the tribes? No takers on that bet I'm sure. Pakistani nationals are all about filling the volunteer ranks of terrorist groups. Largely responsible for attacks in the UK. Pakistan, like our friends in Saudi Arabia, have thousands of Madras cranking out hate, keeping the violence cycles fed with fresh suicide bombers and old fashioned murderers of babies and unarmed women. In order to do this at the levels they have, for as long as they have, it isn't limited to a few kooky Generals and a couple or rouge agents in their intelligence service.

 

Pakistan is a nation state sponsoring world wide terror. They aren't all sponsoring mass murder. As I said in my opening statement on this thread many in Pakistan are western leaning. Those folks don't control the military, the police, or the judicial side of the Government. The western leaning Pakistani's (who just might be the majority) are along for the terrorist ride with their blood lusting neighbors and their military/intelligence apparatus.

 

Their attacks are getting more brazen as the attack on India shows. These were not a few wild eyed radicals with AKs out to shoot a few infidels. Those pukes were trained, financed, equipped, and deployed by somebody with allot of money and the ability to stay under people's radar while plotting and executing this attack. That means assistance from a nation state to me. Pakistan.

 

What measures should now be taken by the world community to reign in Pakistan?

 

Check Six

 

Rocky

 

That is true. It is also true that without Pakistan's assistance tolerance (allowing US aircraft to transit Paki airspace) our fast and relatively painless invasion of Afghanistan in 2001 would have been much more difficult. I have mentioned on my above posts (Herald & I disagree on this point) that it is entirely possible that most Pakistani citizens do not support the radical Muslim agenda of the Pakistan Intelligence services and the leadership of the Pakistani military. If I were to be cynical I would mention that it seems every time we receive the benefit of Pakistan's participation in the GWOT there is always announced some new aid program, billions of US Taxpayer dollars, that benefits the Pak Military/Intelligence complex which rule Pakistan with an iron hand when they think it is required (who killed Bhutto? or her first husband?). We are financing the Pakistani military/intelligence from here so it is probably a quid-pro-quo. If the Pakistani military/intelligence is supporting terrorists in Waziristan and against their neighbor India, a cynic could conclude that we, USA, are financing global terror v. Pakistan, just like we are in Saudi Arabia.

 

If it was an easy equation I wouldn't be asking the question: what do we do with Pakistan? One thing is certain, we must do something because the trend is for more and more violence against western interests, coming from Pakistan.

 

Check Six

 

Rocky

What should the world do?



Threaten to ban them from International cricket.

 

You do realize that the Paks are 5x the chew that Iran would be? Never bite off more than you can or have the political will to swallow.

 

Obama in that blurb where he speaks nonsense, just shows yet again what not ready for reality politics means. 

 

"Shut up with the empty public threats. Let your rockets speak for you." [Me]. Or as Teddy once said: "Talk softly and carry a big stick". 

 

Herald

 

don't have any clue as to what our policy on Pakistan should be in
regard to national security nor do you understand Obama's VALID
suggestions which are in fact in line with what we have been doing for
the last few years in an increasingly frequent and overt manner.

-DA