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Subject: Why all the hostilities towards China?
analdestroyer    1/19/2009 12:29:29 AM
I sometimes wonder why all the hostilities towards china in this forum?, i even read that someone suggested the US to send B2 to wreck chinese three gorges dam? where all of this come from, is it from jealousy?, certaintly not as you americans has been living so well off, is it because dare i say 'fear' as the chinese are rapidly catching up on you, certainly this is exagerrating, no matter how fast the chinese are growing its still decades away to be on the same footing as the US, or is it because they are different? different in their way of doing things that you guys are so worked up, different yet produces the same or arguably better results, for example china is not democracy so it must be evil, yes china is not democracy nor it needed to be at the moment, but its heading that way, for democracy to work first the state must achieve stability and to achieve stability means continuing economic growth, after all democray is where the people become more affluent and so they demand more say on how goverments run things, remember democray does not make western countries rich, they become rich because of colonization (mercantilism) and industrialization (which is what the chinese are doing), secondly your mantra of free market capitalism over state controlled economy, you seems to think that the state is naturally idiot and the market is naturally brilliant, guess again it was an epic mistake, it is you who now moving toward state control—by nationalizing the banking and car industries, and imposing heavy new regulation on the financial industry, accusing them of yuan depreciation while ignoring the fact that is has been increasing by 21.5% towards the dollars, the chinese are a nation of learners they learn from others success and mistakes, they want to avoid the fate of russia in 90's moving too fast from socialism economy to free market and democracy, you americans called it shock therapy which proves to be all shock and no therapy, and you might be suprised that 8 out of 9 of its top leaderships is engineers instead of attorneys and lawyers like in the US you should read this article on newsweek http://www.newsweek.com/id/178810/page/1 its quite rare US media potrays China in positive light
 
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HERALD1357    I oppose the running dogs of Marxist colonialist imperialist racist supremacist bigotted aggression.   1/19/2009 12:51:16 AM

I sometimes wonder why all the hostilities towards china in this forum?, i even read that someone suggested the US to send B2 to wreck chinese three gorges dam? where all of this come from, is it from jealousy?, certaintly not as you americans has been living so well off, is it because dare i say 'fear' as the chinese are rapidly catching up on you, certainly this is exagerrating, no matter how fast the chinese are growing its still decades away to be on the same footing as the US, or is it because they are different? different in their way of doing things that you guys are so worked up, different yet produces the same or arguably better results, for example china is not democracy so it must be evil, yes china is not democracy nor it needed to be at the moment, but its heading that way, for democracy to work first the state must achieve stability and to achieve stability means continuing economic growth, after all democray is where the people become more affluent and so they demand more say on how goverments run things, remember democray does not make western countries rich, they become rich because of colonization (mercantilism) and industrialization (which is what the chinese are doing), secondly your mantra of free market capitalism over state controlled economy, you seems to think that the state is naturally idiot and the market is naturally brilliant, guess again it was an epic mistake, it is you who now moving toward state control?by nationalizing the banking and car industries, and imposing heavy new regulation on the financial industry, accusing them of yuan depreciation while ignoring the fact that is has been increasing by 21.5% towards the dollars, the chinese are a nation of learners they learn from others success and mistakes, they want to avoid the fate of russia in 90's moving too fast from socialism economy to free market and democracy, you americans called it shock therapy which proves to be all shock and no therapy, and you might be suprised that 8 out of 9 of its top leaderships is engineers instead of attorneys and lawyers like in the US

you should read this article on newsweeklink
its quite rare US media potrays China in positive light
There is nothing in those Newsweek lies cited that changes the rape and pillage that the PRCS commit in Africa to get the resources cheaply that they need to prop up their tinkertoy slave economy or the truth about China that I've seen for myself to change my opinion of those PRC CCP governing class thieves and bandits who misrule it.
 
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HERALD1357    Follow ip reply to the Bozo, who calls himself, AnalD   1/19/2009 2:32:00 AM

 

Global slump casts a pall over Chinese New Year
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[quote]Jan 17, 1:33 PM (ET)

By JOE McDONALD

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BEIJING (AP) - Painter Wei Haibin is carefully weighing every purchase as he heads home to Hebei province for China's biggest family holiday - a time when the economy typically enjoys a bounce.

"The total that I spend buying things for the Lunar New Year will be about half of what I spent last year," he said. "Though I will probably spend the same amount buying gifts for family and friends in my hometown because it's a matter of face, I will be really tight on the things I buy for myself."

Wei's income from his landscape paintings, which are sold in Europe, fell 80 percent last year, and the Year of the Ox seems likely to bring more belt-tightening. Squeezed by the global slowdown, consumers and companies in countries that celebrate the Lunar New Year, which begins this year on Jan. 26, are slashing their spending on traditionally lavish gifts, liquor and banquets.

In China, where many businesses count on the equivalent of a Christmas shopping boom for a big share of annual sales, the blow will hurt. It could further depress China's falling growth rate just as Beijing is rolling out a multibillion-dollar plan to boost consumer spending.

"We would estimate spending would be off 20 to 30 percent this year, which is rather critical for quite a large number of retailers and certainly restaurants," said Sam Mulligan, director of market research firm Data-Driven Marketing Asia, which surveyed 4,500 consumers in five major cities in December. "All of these areas are going to be hit hard."

Mulligan said 35 percent of all Chinese entertainment spending and 40 percent of sales of premium beer and liquor takes place over the weeklong Lunar New Year holiday.

At the International Exhibition Hotel in Dongguan, a manufacturing city in China's south that has been battered by the drop in exports, companies that splurged on lobster for employee parties in 2008 are ordering pork this year. A hotel saleswoman said bookings of banquet rooms are still above 90 percent, but companies are spending about half as much per table this year, about 2,000 yuan ($290).

Companies also are scaling down employee lotteries - a common feature of holiday parties.

"Prizes used to be cash - thousands of yuan (hundreds of dollars) for the top prize - or MP3 players, mobile phones or computers," said Nancy Zheng, a saleswoman for the Sofitel Royal Lagoon Hotel in Dongguan. "This year, most prizes are blankets, quilts and microwave ovens."

Independent economists expect China's growth rate to fall this year as low as 5 percent, down from an estimated 9 percent last year and 13 percent in 2007.

The symbolism of the Year of the Ox - an animal that stands for calm, hard work and risk-aversion - is well suited to China's struggle to revive its economy. By contrast, the Rat, whose year is now ending, is said to be charming and clever but cunning and selfish.

Hardest-hit have been areas that depend on exports, which fell 2.8 percent in December compared with 2007 - a painful decline from double-digit growth earlier in 2008.

Thousands of factories in the southeast that made toys, shoes and other goods for export have closed, and the now-jobless migrants they employed have returned to their villages without annual bonuses to pay for New Year gifts and festivities. While many gifts are modest - oranges, chocolate or liquor - failure to bring them home could be a source of shame, and especially painful for parents who work away from home most of the year.

Other companies are expected to cut or withhold bonuses to preserve cash so they can outlast the slump. In a bid to hit sales targets before the economy declines further, one liquor producer has told distributors they must sell 25 percent of their 2009 quota in January alone or risk losing their franchises, Mulligan said.

"If they are doing that, they don't have an awful lot of confidence in how the rest of the year is going to look," he said.

Some companies say they plan to pay bonuses, throw parties and give gifts as usual, however, su
 
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AdvanceAustralia    Answer   1/19/2009 4:49:27 AM

Anal (where did you get that name),

 

I don't claim to speak for everyone on SP but consider this:

 

  1. Regardless of where you think the PRC is headed the fact remains that it is a brutal totalitarian regime that denies the Chinese people what many of us see as the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

 

  1. The PRC regime illegally occupies the territories of other peoples over whom it has no right to forcibly govern. These people include, among others, the Tibetans, the Uighurs and Mongolians.

 

  1. It is ironic you mention Western imperialism. The West has learnt from its mistakes and moved on. It seems, however, the PRC wants to show us it is 200 years behind everyone else and make the same mistakes. Its behavior in Africa is abominable.

 

  1. The PRC regime has aggressive intent towards a number of other foreign territories including, but not limited to, Taiwan, the Spratlys, Mongolia, the Russian Far East, Vietnam, Korea and the Western Pacific generally. It has made no secret of its ambition to build a navy that can challenge the US 7th Fleet in order to fulfill this intent. Note the US has not made any territorial or other threats against China.

 

  1. The PRC is a thieving regime. Not only does it steal from its own people (even literally in the form of body parts) but other countries also. While I acknowledge other nations conduct espionage to obtain technology this does not excuse the PRC?s more deliberate attempts to take from others what they are too lazy to develop themselves. The lack of intellectual property legislation within China is an extension of this as is deliberate copying of military equipment purchased from other suppliers.

 

   6.   The PRC?s general behavior is arrogant and lacking in consideration for other nations. Frequent internet attacks    
         on other countries, destroying a satellite and creating a debris field and occupying disputed islands in the Spratlys 
         without regard for its smaller neighbours are illustrations of the PRC?s attitude towards everyone else.
 
I trust this gives you some insight into what some of us think of the big, bad, PRC.
 
Cheers.
 
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Nichevo    First reason   1/19/2009 5:09:17 AM
Its advocates are people with names like "analdestroyer" who cannot, among other things, use the Return or Enter key, like
 
this

to make paragraphs.
 
so it is much harder to read what they write.
 
 
 
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analdestroyer       1/19/2009 6:45:40 AM

and whose banks currently on the verge of collapsing?, http://www.strategypage.com/Images/emsmile.gif" alt="" />

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Global slump casts a pall over Chinese New Year

 Email this Story



[quote]Jan 17, 1:33 PM (ET)



By JOE McDONALD



Google sponsored links



BEIJING (AP) - Painter Wei Haibin is carefully weighing every purchase as he heads home to Hebei province for China's biggest family holiday - a time when the economy typically enjoys a bounce.



"The total that I spend buying things for the Lunar New Year will be about half of what I spent last year," he said. "Though I will probably spend the same amount buying gifts for family and friends in my hometown because it's a matter of face, I will be really tight on the things I buy for myself."



Wei's income from his landscape paintings, which are sold in Europe, fell 80 percent last year, and the Year of the Ox seems likely to bring more belt-tightening. Squeezed by the global slowdown, consumers and companies in countries that celebrate the Lunar New Year, which begins this year on Jan. 26, are slashing their spending on traditionally lavish gifts, liquor and banquets.



In China, where many businesses count on the equivalent of a Christmas shopping boom for a big share of annual sales, the blow will hurt. It could further depress China's falling growth rate just as Beijing is rolling out a multibillion-dollar plan to boost consumer spending.



"We would estimate spending would be off 20 to 30 percent this year, which is rather critical for quite a large number of retailers and certainly restaurants," said Sam Mulligan, director of market research firm Data-Driven Marketing Asia, which surveyed 4,500 consumers in five major cities in December. "All of these areas are going to be hit hard."



Mulligan said 35 percent of all Chinese entertainment spending and 40 percent of sales of premium beer and liquor takes place over the weeklong Lunar New Year holiday.



At the International Exhibition Hotel in Dongguan, a manufacturing city in China's south that has been battered by the drop in exports, companies that splurged on lobster for employee parties in 2008 are ordering pork this year. A hotel saleswoman said bookings of banquet rooms are still above 90 percent, but companies are spending about half as much per table this year, about 2,000 yuan ($290).



Companies also are scaling down employee lotteries - a common feature of holiday parties.



"Prizes used to be cash - thousands of yuan (hundreds of dollars) for the top prize - or MP3 players, mobile phones or computers," said Nancy Zheng, a saleswoman for the Sofitel Royal Lagoon Hotel in Dongguan. "This year, most prizes are blankets, quilts and microwave ovens."



Independent economists expect China's growth rate to fall this year as l
 
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analdestroyer       1/19/2009 7:26:17 AM

Anal (where did you get that name),


 


I don't claim to speak for everyone on SP but consider this:


 



  1. Regardless of where you think the PRC is headed the fact remains that it is a brutal totalitarian regime that denies the Chinese people what many of us see as the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.


 



  1. The PRC regime illegally occupies the territories of other peoples over whom it has no right to forcibly govern. These people include, among others, the Tibetans, the Uighurs and Mongolians.


 



  1. It is ironic you mention Western imperialism. The West has learnt from its mistakes and moved on. It seems, however, the PRC wants to show us it is 200 years behind everyone else and make the same mistakes. Its behavior in Africa is abominable.


 



  1. The PRC regime has aggressive intent towards a number of other foreign territories including, but not limited to, Taiwan, the Spratlys, Mongolia, the Russian Far East, Vietnam, Korea and the Western Pacific generally. It has made no secret of its ambition to build a navy that can challenge the US 7th Fleet in order to fulfill this intent. Note the US has not made any territorial or other threats against China.


 



  1. The PRC is a thieving regime. Not only does it steal from its own people (even literally in the form of body parts) but other countries also. While I acknowledge other nations conduct espionage to obtain technology this does not excuse the PRC?s more deliberate attempts to take from others what they are too lazy to develop themselves. The lack of intellectual property legislation within China is an extension of this as is deliberate copying of military equipment purchased from other suppliers.


 


   6.   The PRC?s general behavior is arrogant and lacking in consideration for other nations. Frequent internet attacks    

         on other countries, destroying a satellite and creating a debris field and occupying disputed islands in the Spratlys 

         without regard for its smaller neighbours are illustrations of the PRC?s attitude towards everyone else.

 

 
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analdestroyer       1/19/2009 7:31:47 AM

Its advocates are people with names like "analdestroyer" who cannot, among other things, use the Return or Enter key, like

 

this



to make paragraphs.


 

so it is much harder to read what they write.



 Well sorry for not using enough enter key, its a habit im working to change, the name analdestroyer means exactly what is written, thats what i do  
 

 
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Softwar       1/19/2009 9:21:35 AM




Its advocates are people with names like "analdestroyer" who cannot, among other things, use the Return or Enter key, like



 



this







to make paragraphs.








 



so it is much harder to read what they write.








 Well sorry for not using enough enter key, its a habit im working to change, the name analdestroyer means exactly what is written, thats what i do  

 





Dude - first get a new handle.
Second, if you want to know why many of us oppose China - do some basic research about the Laogai camps and why the CCP continues to use a concentration camp system.
 
Finally, your assumption that China "will become democratic" one day has yet to come true even after 2000 years.  The engagement crowd has stated over and over again that continued trade will make China become more democratic and less hostile.  Neither have taken place despite nearly 20 years of the same policy out of DC.
 

 
 
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gf0012-aust       1/19/2009 10:15:23 AM
 Well sorry for not using enough enter key, its a habit im working to change, the name analdestroyer means exactly what is written, thats what i do  

 
you're a proctologist?




 
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Lynstyne       1/19/2009 11:54:55 AM




 Well sorry for not using enough enter key, its a habit im working to change, the name analdestroyer means exactly what is written, thats what i do  

 




 The mind boggles, one can only hope english isnt his first language and he has used a simple language translater and is thus mistaken / misquoting in  some way.
 
Of course he could just be warning us from bitter experience, that if you talk out youre arse enough you could cause youreself a nasty accident.
 
 
TAXI
 


 
 
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