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Subject: EU+Russia to form next military alliance without UK and US?
Le Zookeeper    9/24/2009 2:57:26 PM
For months I have said Germany would start WW3. Well here is amost interesting blog, read the comments. Clearly no luv for UK here.
blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finance/ambroseevans-pritchard/100001043/germany-declares-economic-war/
 
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Parmenion    They can go right ahead.   9/24/2009 3:24:16 PM
 
German bloke is clearly an idiot. Germans should stick to what makes them great- engineering and chemicals- and a new and growing green industry. Watching Germans to do banking is like watching a Pelican trying to play table tennis. Yes "anglo-saxons" have suffered more than the Germans and French. But our economic model balances that out with far healthier growth rates in the good times.
 
If you're saying that Germany may try to create a situation where Britain is left aligned to America while Germany gets a Euro-thing or maybe even closer ties with Russia- (and I want it on the record that I respect your opinion enough and the stuff you've presented not to totally discount that)- then as a British poster, I think we got the good end of the deal. But I know you have your big "America is doomed" theory which I don't agree with, but you obviously do, so fair enough.
 
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Le Zookeeper    Well the comments after the blog   9/24/2009 5:21:08 PM
are most interesting. Clearly a lot a German bloggers want UK out and clearly a lot of English think maybe its ok. Wildcard maybe France, which way will they go? Well the US is doomed for 10 to 20years its still too resourceful a country to be ignored but current devaluation of dollar and budget deficits and a messed up banking system will take a while to correct, and the pace of Chinas growth is such that by the time US comesback China will be a formidable rival and of course EU Russia may have gone their merry way. But I had a grimmer outlook that there would be a world war starting in Europe by Germany
and this blog clearly supports my theory that the most virulent anti US/UK (so called Anglo Saxon empire) is not China, not Russia, but Germany.
 
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Parmenion       9/24/2009 6:51:23 PM

are most interesting. Clearly a lot a German bloggers want UK out and clearly a lot of English think maybe its ok. Wildcard maybe France, which way will they go? Well the US is doomed for 10 to 20years its still too resourceful a country to be ignored but current devaluation of dollar and budget deficits and a messed up banking system will take a while to correct, and the pace of Chinas growth is such that by the time US comesback China will be a formidable rival and of course EU Russia may have gone their merry way. But I had a grimmer outlook that there would be a world war starting in Europe by Germany

and this blog clearly supports my theory that the most virulent anti US/UK (so called Anglo Saxon empire) is not China, not Russia, but Germany.


I can kind of follow your reasoning until you get to Germany starting WW3.  Not saying I agree with your analysis, (I don't) but there are not unsubstantial people who have made some of those same points. Ultimately I think you could come up with about 5 possible scenarios for 20-30 years from now and they'd have equal chances of comingt true. It depends on climate, technology, political shifts, all sorts of stuff people are always crap about predicting.
But Germany starting a war? They have an army of 320, 000 of which they can only deploy about 9000 outside their own borders? If they're allied to Russia which is the only nation nearby which might attack them or their interests badly enough, then what? Expeditionary warfare? So the entire political attitude of Germany with regards to defence has to change. And against the UK and US? God have mercy on them, because the US carrier groups and SAS soldiers certainly wouldn't.
 
The most agressive thing Germany might do is write a strongly worded letter requesting the US and UK troops there leave.
 
This finance minister will likely be replaced for a liberal (european not US meaning) in a few days anyway. Germany pursuing economic warfare against the US and UK would be shooting themselves in the foot- they depend on exports and the UK and US could cripple them by buying from China and Italy for the cheap stuff, Italy and France for the high-end stuff, as well as developing industry at home.
 
Germany are our allies and most of this is just hype by the media who love reporting on problems. But if a German goverment did anything as irresponsible as pursuing these fantasy scenarios, the "Anglo-Saxon union" would f%ck them up, for the sake of the German people. We've beaten irrresponsible and agressive German leaders twice now, we're getting rather good at it.
 
P.S. NastyGermanIdiot, if you read this, please don't take it personally, I like German culture, and I know the UK and US consider them an important ally and friend. Just stamping down hard on slurs on Germany, as I'm sure you would.
 
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Nanheyangrouchuan       9/24/2009 7:41:01 PM
The EU would just end up part of Russia.  The continentals think they can resist but they'd get steamrolled.  Funny thing is that the only people that would save Europe from occupation/control by Russia would be the African and Middle Eastern immigrants that are currently held with such contempt. THEY know how to wage a guerilla war.
 
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Le Zookeeper    Germany would be allied with Russia   9/24/2009 11:14:56 PM
Of course my theory is a Black swan event but then the unforseeable happens sometimes. Germany with its small army previously had almost conquered Western Europe, thats why I mentioned France is the wild card, but with France Germany Russia allying it could be quite possible to control Europe and Middle East, I guess the Germans may even avoid direct conflict with US & UK. What may happen is the US/UK bakers may actually have never learnt anything from this and continue the casino games and slam the Euro. My sources tell me a group expects to crash the EURO in October. I like to see how the behaviour changes then. War is inevitable simply because all the conditions exist but it doesn't seem plausible and so it must happen. Its a Black Swan.
 
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Le Zookeeper    another war proponent   9/24/2009 11:35:06 PM
www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEAYVOajzHw
 
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Le Zookeeper    another war proponent   9/24/2009 11:54:43 PM
www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEAYVOajzHw
 
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Parmenion    Nanny   9/25/2009 12:02:41 PM
 
Russia would be part of the EU. One of the stronger members maybe, but not the leader and certainly not the motherland of some new Russian Empire. Russia has massive demographic problems and an economy that relies totally on Europeans buying their gas and oil. They'll need European numbers, superior conventional military and technology just to stop the Chinese taking Siberia. And African and middle Eastern immigrants are not really as much of a major factor in Europe as those in the states like to make out.
 
 
 
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Nasty German Idiot       9/25/2009 6:04:28 PM




are most interesting. Clearly a lot a German bloggers want UK out and clearly a lot of English think maybe its ok. Wildcard maybe France, which way will they go? Well the US is doomed for 10 to 20years its still too resourceful a country to be ignored but current devaluation of dollar and budget deficits and a messed up banking system will take a while to correct, and the pace of Chinas growth is such that by the time US comesback China will be a formidable rival and of course EU Russia may have gone their merry way. But I had a grimmer outlook that there would be a world war starting in Europe by Germany



and this blog clearly supports my theory that the most virulent anti US/UK (so called Anglo Saxon empire) is not China, not Russia, but Germany.






I can kind of follow your reasoning until you get to Germany starting WW3.  Not saying I agree with your analysis, (I don't) but there are not unsubstantial people who have made some of those same points. Ultimately I think you could come up with about 5 possible scenarios for 20-30 years from now and they'd have equal chances of comingt true. It depends on climate, technology, political shifts, all sorts of stuff people are always crap about predicting.


But Germany starting a war? They have an army of 320, 000 of which they can only deploy about 9000 outside their own borders? If they're allied to Russia which is the only nation nearby which might attack them or their interests badly enough, then what? Expeditionary warfare? So the entire political attitude of Germany with regards to defence has to change. And against the UK and US? God have mercy on them, because the US carrier groups and SAS soldiers certainly wouldn't.

 

The most agressive thing Germany might do is write a strongly worded letter requesting the US and UK troops there leave.

 

This finance minister will likely be replaced for a liberal (european not US meaning) in a few days anyway. Germany pursuing economic warfare against the US and UK would be shooting themselves in the foot- they depend on exports and the UK and US could cripple them by buying from China and Italy for the cheap stuff, Italy and France for the high-end stuff, as well as developing industry at home.

 

Germany are our allies and most of this is just hype by the media who love reporting on problems. But if a German goverment did anything as irresponsible as pursuing these fantasy scenarios, the "Anglo-Saxon union" would f%ck them up, for the sake of the German people. We've beaten irrresponsible and agressive German leaders twice now, we're getting rather good at it.

 

P.S. NastyGermanIdiot, if you read this, please don't take it personally, I like German culture, and I know the UK and US consider them an important ally and friend. Just stamping down hard on slurs on Germany, as I'm sure you would.


Why apologize when you are right on every point ?  ^^
 
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Le Zookeeper    Nasty   9/26/2009 12:13:40 AM
Sure Merkel is stable enough, but what happens when German banks collapse, the estern european loans nevr get epaid, POland is on the list again. Sure what I say does not seem logical, the G20 just finished, the photo ops were great , I loved the pictures of the first wives (first huebdand in Germany's case). My my what a gala event in Pittsburgh. Now besides the Pittsburgh Steelers everything that comes out of there usually rusts. Few people even noticed, the Chinese and Japanese actually bought US bonds saving US from inflation(few people noticed but we just got a reprieve). All seems well "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED", haha. Sure there is that outside chance that all this is fiction and the system is so imbalanced it could simply tip over, but then so did the world think that hey US mortgage securities were a great deal, in fact rich German bankers thought "lets by US mortgage securities insured by AIG, great interest secure loans and insured by AIG, what couldgo wrong?" I was laughing through this entire phase as we were selling homes in California to every bum on the street. Imade money, but I could not believe who these loans were being made to. I knew it was going to collapse , and it diid September 2008. I was yelling all through 2005 to 2008 I was laughed off. Now wait till these yahoos in LOndon and New York screw the EURO and SINK the EU with Germany and FRance as major creditors. If you are our allies after that you know the saying" You are not my friend you are my brother", I think you would want your money back and screw this brother BS. Thats when the tanks will roll... I can sense you are not really upset yet, trust me nobody can wreck your day like Wall Street.
 
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Nasty German Idiot       9/26/2009 9:20:01 AM
The thing is, I simply dont see the German banking system collapsing.  Neither does anyone else besides you.
 
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Beazz    ZooMan   9/26/2009 10:08:41 AM
Le Zookeeper    Nasty   9/26/2009 12:13:40 AM
Of course my theory is a Black swan event but then the unforseeable happens sometimes. Germany with its small army previously had almost conquered Western Europe, thats why I mentioned France is the wild card, but with France Germany Russia allying it could be quite possible to control Europe and Middle East, I guess the Germans may even avoid direct conflict with US & UK. What may happen is the US/UK bakers may actually have never learnt anything from this and continue the casino games and slam the Euro. My sources tell me a group expects to crash the EURO in October. I like to see how the behaviour changes then. War is inevitable simply because all the conditions exist but it doesn't seem plausible and so it must happen. Its a Black Swan.
 


Sure Merkel is stable enough, but what happens when German banks collapse, the estern european loans nevr get epaid, POland is on the list again. Sure what I say does not seem logical, the G20 just finished, the photo ops were great , I loved the pictures of the first wives (first huebdand in Germany's case). My my what a gala event in Pittsburgh. Now besides the Pittsburgh Steelers everything that comes out of there usually rusts. Few people even noticed, the Chinese and Japanese actually bought US bonds saving US from inflation(few people noticed but we just got a reprieve). All seems well "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED", haha. Sure there is that outside chance that all this is fiction and the system is so imbalanced it could simply tip over, but then so did the world think that hey US mortgage securities were a great deal, in fact rich German bankers thought "lets by US mortgage securities insured by AIG, great interest secure loans and insured by AIG, what couldgo wrong?" I was laughing through this entire phase as we were selling homes in California to every bum on the street. Imade money, but I could not believe who these loans were being made to. I knew it was going to collapse , and it diid September 2008. I was yelling all through 2005 to 2008 I was laughed off. Now wait till these yahoos in LOndon and New York screw the EURO and SINK the EU with Germany and FRance as major creditors. If you are our allies after that you know the saying" You are not my friend you are my brother", I think you would want your money back and screw this brother BS. Thats when the tanks will roll... I can sense you are not really upset yet, trust me nobody can wreck your day like Wall Street.
Oh puleeez, will you get over your idiotic self? Your *sources* tell you? Who do you think you're kidding here? I'm fairly certain that of all the *real* movers and shakers in the world of big finance, you ain't one of em and those that are sure as hell are not consulting in some babbling internet big mouth. And there has been NO devaluation of the dollar so get your facts straight. But then we are only 5 days away from your prediction being proved to be the fantasy lie it is and then maybe you will go away? Preferably back to the dirt hole you were born in?
 
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Heorot    Beazz   9/26/2009 10:42:52 AM

Dollar not devalued? You?re delusional.

The British pound has been nearly as badly hit as the dollar in recent times yet, despite that, in January 2009, 1 GBP got you $1.442. Now it will return $1.64.

As for the Euro, in January 2009, 1 Euro got you $1.323. Now it will return $1.455.

That?s a 14% devaluation against the GBP and 10% against the Euro. Can you find me a major currency that it hasn?t been devalued against?
 
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Le Zookeeper    Beazz   9/26/2009 4:17:50 PM
u keep coming across like those fools Obama keeps referring too. BTW where  came from - everyone is richer than where I am, the problem very well in the US is everyone who camehere maybe in scram mode, and that includes rich born in AMerica types. All ur bru haha points to only one thing, its very important for Asia and Europe to remove America from its mantle, sad I say that but starting phony wars financed by China, cash for clunkers, spend spend- b&tch b&tch I think its time for AMerica to call it a day. And u r the reason and people like me the victims of ur idiocy.
 
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Le Zookeeper    Beazz am sure u voted for Bush jr   9/26/2009 4:25:39 PM
Did u know an assessment from China was that the Iraq war would drive US to bankruptcy, I am sure u were one of the clowns who thought that WMDs were ready to be launched and Hans Blix war an old fool. Hey gusswhat? We ae there now, no Saddam, and no US dollar. Mission Accomplished!! Why don't u make a Chevy Chase type movie blended with some drawl accent- "How to run a country down in 8 years".
 
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