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Subject: France is a relatively weak military power.
Nappy    6/23/2005 5:02:28 PM
France is a relatively weak military power in terms of the world. It has neither logisitcal nor economic capability to invade none other then it's neighbors (possibly a land invasion of England included). What do I mean by invasion? Ability to completely invade,dominate, and ultimately totally control (not like the "green zone" areas and chaos we see in Iraq). Germany is a possiblity but their armaments production capability is far higher then France. Spain is also a possiblity, but to be frank not possible due to the terrain(Pyrnees), and capability of the Spanish airforce (they have a significant airforce believe it or not, in fact with a budget of 8 billion annually just for the airforce.) England is a possiblity also, the French navy is significantly inferior to the English navy but it's possible to perhaps make a surprise landing. As far as comparing France to say an India. This is ludicrous. If India wishes, (this will NEVER happen) she could invade Russia and take Moscow (without Nuclear weapons of course), this could be done fairly easily by India (perhaps with a loss of 20-30 million Indians), Indians frankly pump out more and better qualified engineers, chemist then say France and Russia combined as per the DOW chemical company R&D report in 2004, and have a better capacity to utilize these resources, the Indian economy is much bigger in production capability then say a France or Russia (as output by ODM per operating cost). Finally, I just don't believe France has the "willpower" to do anything like an invasion. It's people are too inclined to luxuries and other wasteful and decadent excess that they will rather surrender or bargain with another power rather then fight. I do not mean to offend or upset anyone (in fact this is a complement to the highly developed social paradise setup by the French people) but the realities are that in a war France would probably roll over.
 
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Hamilcar21       7/15/2011 7:11:43 PM

PATHETIC

Not on point , and it is that this forum has to sdraw the attention of people who do not know sibject and do not know when they should LEARN instead of waste bandwidth.

That is you, truckdriver.

H.



 
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halloweene       7/17/2011 5:20:50 PM
ROFL you again uncovered a secret? You should candidate to CIA, they'd be glad to welcome you....in their psy hospital...
 
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Hamilcar21       7/17/2011 6:00:35 PM

ROFL you again uncovered a secret? You should candidate to CIA, they'd be glad to welcome you....in their psy hospital...

Irrelevant noise. Nothing to say on topic, truck driver? I thought so. 

H.

 

 
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Hamilcar21       7/17/2011 8:24:36 PM

OOooh because you said ONE thing relevant? /bow i didnt notice it. Coul you remind me bike driver?

Which you will be peddling soon. I don't :LIE like you do about technical matters Blue Wings. I also know what I discuss, annd when to be quiet when  I don't.

Example:

French treason.

What you steal from us, your own TRAITORS  who stole it  sell to your foreigner competitors. 

ROTFLMAO.

Enjoy the rickshaw, truckdriver. 

H. 

 

 
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halloweene       7/18/2011 5:59:03 AM
lolz HH you should use another story then that Renault, as finally there was no spying . Once again you show your ignorance, picking up one post or another without any discernment or verification, then twisting facts to change fit the world to your narrow racist point of view...
 
Now look at this : if we are able to steal that much secrets from honest almighty US, with so little intelligence services as compared to yours, it simply means that they are totally incompetent. Rush to Langley, yhey NEED you!
 
 
 
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Hamilcar21       7/18/2011 7:36:00 AM

There was no spying?

article 

So the Americans know more about what is going on than the DGSE or the French Diplomatic Intelligence Service? Not surprising, truck driver. These are the same fools who screwed up the Libya takeover. Better ask the PRC bandits where Qadddafi obtained a fresh supply of Grad rockets and more heavy weapons.

lolz HH you should use another story then that Renault, as finally there was no spying . Once again you show your ignorance, picking up one post or another without any discernment or verification, then twisting facts to change fit the world to your narrow racist point of view...
 
Now look at this : if we are able to steal that much secrets from honest almighty US, with so little intelligence services as compared to yours, it simply means that they are totally incompetent. Rush to Langley, yhey NEED you!
 
 

Who said you were good at stealing secrets and not getting CAUGHT? Besodes even with all that you stole the best you can do is the Rafale?    

ROTFLMAO.

H.
 
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Hamilcar21       7/18/2011 7:43:05 AM

There was no spying?

article 

So the Americans know more about what is going on than the DGSE or the French Diplomatic Intelligence Service? Not surprising, truck driver. These are the same fools who screwed up the Libya takeover. Better ask the PRC bandits where Qadddafi obtained a fresh supply of Grad rockets and more heavy weapons.

lolz HH you should use another story then that Renault, as finally there was no spying . Once again you show your ignorance, picking up one post or another without any discernment or verification, then twisting facts to change fit the world to your narrow racist point of view...
 
Now look at this : if we are able to steal that much secrets from honest almighty US, with so little intelligence services as compared to yours, it simply means that they are totally incompetent. Rush to Langley, yhey NEED you!
 
 

Who said you were good at stealing secrets and not getting CAUGHT? Besodes even with all that you stole the best you can do is the Rafale?    

ROTFLMAO.

H.
 
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Das Kardinal       7/18/2011 10:50:57 AM


There was no spying?


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So the Americans know more about what is going on than the DGSE or the French Diplomatic Intelligence Service? Not surprising, truck driver. These are the same fools who screwed up the Libya takeover. Better ask the PRC bandits where Qadddafi obtained a fresh supply of Grad rockets and more heavy weapons.



lolz HH you should use another story then that Renault, as finally there was no spying . Once again you show your ignorance, picking up one post or another without any discernment or verification, then twisting facts to change fit the world to your narrow racist point of view...

 

Now look at this : if we are able to steal that much secrets from honest almighty US, with so little intelligence services as compared to yours, it simply means that they are totally incompetent. Rush to Langley, yhey NEED you!

 

 


Who said you were good at stealing secrets and not getting CAUGHT? Besodes even with all that you stole the best you can do is the Rafale?    


ROTFLMAO.


H.


And the good ol'e USA doesn't spy. Oh wait - everything they do, it's for Good and Democracy and Kittens. When others do the same thing (espionage, foreign interventions...) it's EEEEvil. 
The only difference between America and the rest of the world is spin. It's nice to blame French imperialism in Africa... what about the US' practices in South America ? Or their extermination of American natives ? Sure, you did that during the 19th century, when it was still more or less acceptable for the Superior WASP Master Race to slaughter those dirty brown savages standing on valuable land. 
Shit, I'm not even implying that America should apologize or something. But the double standards are annoying. All nations behave like bastards most of the time, only difference is some are more adept at hiding it behing a "nice" facade. Those who don't (behave like bastards)... end up as footnotes in History. 
 
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Hamilcar21       7/18/2011 6:54:30 PM

There was an American who showed the DIFFERENCE best:


 



 
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Hamilcar21       7/18/2011 7:05:38 PM

There was an American who showed the DIFFERENCE best:

Hale is in the American pantheon not because of what he did but because of why he did it. Nathan Hale spied on the British because the general's tent was right next to his schoolhouse. On his way back to the Continental Army, the British broke into his school house and attacked him.

—Former CIA chief Richard Helms

Historically, most of our spies have NOT been scum and 1%ers. (Surprisingly Ames, Pollard, the Rosenbergs, and Walker are the RARE exceptions)

It starts with George Washington you know?

Geotge, the spy. 

For the Republic, ALWAYS. Not like those double crossers and traitors at Renault.  

So I REJECT your attempted comparison. Its not historically valid at all.

H. 


 
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