You are all drunk or high.  Parmenion  in particular, I'll have what he's having.  What former communist country are you a dupe of, Parmenion?   Or are you a pink from some Western European country like Spain or Greece?

 

The rest of the world cannot take a drink out of the Mississippi River without our permission.  The minute we declared war on the European Union, countries would start leaving it hoping we would let them live.  Russia and China are too big to occupy, so we would just end all life within their borders using nuclear weapons.  This would be OK for us because China has no nuclear threat to the US worth mentioning and Russia, well, after a first strike, our interceptors would do the job.

 

Fortunately we would never do this without provocation, so just don't provoke us, KTHXBAI.

No, Nichevo, I'm not drunk or high, though I'd love to know whatever it is you were smoking when you though that the United States could take on essentually the entire world and survive. You should rember to keep a tissue handy for when you're done with thouse pictures of the Abrams tanks and the marines, you child. With regards to a stalemate, I agree completely with the points made by the other members, if we're going on what China and the EU have now. But the economic advantage not to mention the fact that China will start by calling in on all US debt means they can build all the air defense and long range bombers they need. As for Britain and India by the way, if China and Russia are both in a war then India will go with them no to be left out, and because they are far more of a threat to India as enemies than the US in this situation. As far as nuclear weapons go, I'm assuming they're not used or stopped, otherwise both sides can obliterate eachother in any case. Britain is a member of the EU and will stand with them against an America crazy enough to start this ridiculous scenario. And as for the middle east, I'm sure they would like nothing better than an oppurtuntiy to stike at the USA. This isn't to say I'm anti-American, I acknowledge that the US has the greatest military in the history of the world, and as a member of the western world, I'm kind of proud of it. But we should be realistic here.

Well Parmenion if the whole world wants to declare war then yes the US will lose. And lose quite badly. And then we'll nuke the rest of the world. On a more serious note; even if Britain joins the Evil League of Evil the US will still be the dominant Naval Power of the seas. We are like Victorian Britain only with a better balance of power. India's navy would be decent, but they would have to worry about Pakistan who the US would have hopefully supplied before they decide to assume their death match. But my point still stands: US Navy can protect our shores from everyone else. So Stalemate.

 

And as JFKY pointed out, we do have Area 51 and the aliens to bail us out if things get bad.

 

Absolutely, I agree with your point with today's forces- the US navy is formiddable, the EU, Russian and Indian Navies together would at best put it into a WW1 Britain versus Germany naval scenario with the USN as the Royal Navy. But with the economic advantage and trade embargo, my question is, in a long, long war, who can build landing ships and carriers quicker- the US or China and the EU together, with EU technology? I mean it's an honest question, but with US industry having kind of been taken over by services and IT compared to german and chinese steel industry, maybe the EU and China would have the edge if they can stop enough airstrikes? This kind of gets ridiculous after a while.

They couldn't. No one else has the expertise to build large carriers. Even the current French-British carriers are not particularly well designed and still too small to carry a decent strike group. The Chinese have never actually conducted carrier-ops and it would take tehm 8-10 years minimum to build a carrier, design planes and get good. All of this while dodging cruise missile strikes and torpedoes. It just simply won't happen. Refer to the carrier discusions with Herald and JKFY and Phaid. And don't forget that the Russia, China, EU alliance is more likely to splinter that the US. And if the EU isn't there to provide technological expertise and electronics then Russia and China are gonna be hurting.

 

Ultimately this thread really is pointless though. No one can win a conventional war in this scenario and the balance of forces is both unlikely and unfair.

 

I will ask, though, why don't you understand that the Chinese would be cutting their own throats by playing around with their US debt instruments?  Maybe we'll just void those bonds.  During the present financial crisis one of the first things we did was to reassure China their holdings would be honored.  China, or maybe more simply YOU since you won't answer about your origins,  has much more to lose than we do from those kind of games.  As Donald Trump's example shows, when you owe the bank a dollar, the bank owns you; when you owe the bank a billion dollars, you own the bank.

 

As for your grasp of the actual military issues, the less said the better.  Oh yeah, the Missle East will really make the difference, uh huh.  Lulz!

Nichy, why did you even waste time with this bozo?

 

 

Herald

 

 

Believe me, Herald, I could not explain it to you.  I can only say I've been away from SP for awhile and I guess have been getting my feet wet inching into the pool.  Should have wondered why this one seemed warm and ammoniac.  Anyway you haven't had much to say on the new 70mms, UAVs or anywhere else I've been lately. 

 

--Well that's not fair but obviously I am grasping for something to comment on.  Help a brother out, let's have an interesting convo somewhere else and ditch this bitch.