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Subject: What if the USA vs. European Union, Russia, and China?
Republican    12/14/2005 7:28:36 PM
If the USA went to war with the European Union, Russia, and China for whatever reason. The USA had the new F-22s, and F-35s built, the USS George H.W. Bush aircraft carrier, and more M1A2 Abrams, could the USA win? If not, what point would the USA start to lose?
 
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warpig       3/25/2009 7:36:02 PM

This is a little unfair in my book, the EU would be more than enough to destroy the US because they would be strangled by lack of trade and weapon for weapon those found in the EU are arguably better, Eurofighter Typhoon>F-22, Challenger 2/Leopard> Abrams, A280 best rifle in the world belongs to British etc etc, oh and the super submarine, the Astute which is British as well.

 

I think the combined fleets of the EU would crush the Naval forces of the USA, sure their enormous but when youve got a submarine like the astute that can track New York from the English channel, you cant win in the water, the Astute are also incredible at hunting other subs, combine that with the other weapons and the US despite their large forces would be tactically outmanouvered. Although I wouldnt be surprised if we sneaky Brits used our secret services and SAS to tamper with US nukes and remove their nuclear power.


Very convincing.  I see what you mean.  Probably a more interesting scenario would have just been "U.S. v. U.K."  At least that might be an even fight, right?

 
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afrikan_neekeri       3/27/2009 11:39:10 PM










Very convincing.  I see what you mean.  Probably a more interesting scenario would have just been "U.S. v. U.K."  At least that might be an even fight, right?





I lol'd. Twice.
 
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kleinbaas    No way   10/29/2009 6:30:22 PM
America couldnt even win a war in Korea or Vietnam! How are they going to beat China and Russia, even if the UK was on their side!?
The Chinese would still be fighting when the USA has lost the political willpower to send its boys to their deaths..
 
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kleinbaas    No way   10/29/2009 6:32:28 PM
and whats this about the USA vs UK being a fair fight!? The USA would kick the UK's arse in about 2 seconds!
 
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warpig       10/29/2009 6:47:50 PM

and whats this about the USA vs UK being a fair fight!? The USA would kick the UK's arse in about 2 seconds!


Well then, since America couldn't beat North Korea or North Vietnam, but could kick the UK's ass in 2 seconds, then I guess North Korea or Vietnam must be able to kick the UK's ass in, like, 1 second, eh?
 
 
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Nasty German Idiot       10/29/2009 7:06:28 PM
"America couldnt even win a war in Korea or Vietnam! How are they going to beat China and Russia, even if the UK was on their side!?
The Chinese would still be fighting when the USA has lost the political willpower to send its boys to their deaths.."
 
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He mentiones Korea, and the Chinese "will" to bring "everything to the end" in the same sentence ^^
 
I would never have tought that I would ever pity someone from a country that didnt have the joy of getting "Mash" on morning TV :)
 
 
 
 
 
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JTR~~    hwo could anyone ask such a question   2/12/2010 8:24:27 AM
it is completely rediculous, im sorry, but this  question is once again an example of ill placed american arrogance, this is why the country of america is dissliked so much by other countries.
it is foolish to think that they would even stand a chance, for a start the EU, russia and china is the usual bunch of peasant farmers and localy trained militia the america has taken to bullying, before they even got to main;and europe their attack would be doomed, who cares if amrica has f22s (which arent even operational yet) and in case youve forgotten britain has f 35s aswell, it also has the 2nd largest navy in the world with the new daring class destroyers which are currently the most advanced ships on the earth.
this amrican arrogance is not well placed at all, not all americans are like it, mostly the politicians and military leaders, who are so blinded by their patriotic pride that they often under-estimate people (hello vietnam).
just because america has alot of firepower and alot of money it thinks that it can push everyone around, well it shouldnt behave that way.
and for the sake of being sensible, if america was to do so, it would be crushed by russia and china from the pacific, and then hit with a sledgehammer from europe, the american forces wouldnt even get the opportunity to leave home before being wiped out, europe would be on the doorstep of the whitehouse within the week, and besides if it came to it Britain, France, Russia, soon China, and belgium would just nuke america into the middle of next week. in saying that one good sized EMP could bring america to its knees, then you just send 200 EMP proof Challenger 2s (yes they are EMP proof) to wipe out all reamining resistance.
i hope the no one asks this question again it is frankly foolish
 
 
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JTR~~    excellent reply   2/12/2010 8:36:19 AM



and whats this about the USA vs UK being a fair fight!? The USA would kick the UK's arse in about 2 seconds!






Well then, since America couldn't beat North Korea or North Vietnam, but could kick the UK's ass in 2 seconds, then I guess North Korea or Vietnam must be able to kick the UK's ass in, like, 1 second, eh?

 probably being said by an american who is blinded by their own patriotic arrogance, coming form the country that lost 15 delta force members in somalia to militia +150 others, lost 60,000 men in vietnam, and lost as many men as britian in ww2 even when they joined 3 years late and took 60,00 casulties in ww1 in the last year (joined late again).
any country who uses the war to profit from others suffering does not deserve to become a super power (we all know thats how america has become what it is today)
a shame really because most americans are really nice :)
id also like to add that this person has obviously never seen of heard anything about the British armed forces.



 
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warpig       2/12/2010 12:55:54 PM

it is completely rediculous, im sorry, but this  question is once again an example of ill placed american arrogance, this is why the country of america is dissliked so much by other countries.


i hope the no one asks this question again it is frankly foolish


JTR~~, welcome to StrategyPage.  Based on your first post, I strongly urge you to take to heart the advice I offer to every newbie who isn't a defense professional:  read more, post less.
 
Every sentence (actually every clause of every sentence) you posted that attempts to assert some fact or opinion based on the current military situation is in error: 
 
"for a start the EU, russia and china is the usual bunch of peasant farmers and localy trained militia the america has taken to bullying, before they even got to main;and europe their attack would be doomed, who cares if amrica has f22s (which arent even operational yet) and in case youve forgotten britain has f 35s aswell, it also has the 2nd largest navy in the world with the new daring class destroyers which are currently the most advanced ships on the earth.

"and for the sake of being sensible, if america was to do so, it would be crushed by russia and china from the pacific, and then hit with a sledgehammer from europe, the american forces wouldnt even get the opportunity to leave home before being wiped out, europe would be on the doorstep of the whitehouse within the week, and besides if it came to it Britain, France, Russia, soon China, and belgium would just nuke america into the middle of next week. in saying that one good sized EMP could bring america to its knees, then you just send 200 EMP proof Challenger 2s (yes they are EMP proof) to wipe out all reamining resistance.
 
"coming form the country that lost 15 delta force members in somalia to militia +150 others, lost 60,000 men in vietnam, and lost as many men as britian in ww2 even when they joined 3 years late and took 60,00 casulties in ww1 in the last year (joined late again)."
 
Bzzzt!  Wrong, but thanks for playing.
 
 
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JTR~~    hello to you to   2/12/2010 2:10:43 PM
thanks for the welcome and the reply, i am fully aware that my answer was lacking facts, that i assure i would under normal circumstances include, i have answered some other posts which include alot of detail, so ill use that to back up my claim, but as i said this one was lacking in detail, as A i had very little time which im sure you will be able to appreciate and B it is a strange question to ask, i would of thought the answer was pretty obvious.
at the end you made the remark about me being wrong, on what i would like some englightenment would be very much appreciated :) thanks
 
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