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Subject: Israel vs. Iran in an all-out war
jaythehistorian    8/3/2006 12:24:39 PM
WHY ISRAEL WILL decisively defeat IRAN if there is an all-out war. 1.Israel has more than 200 atomic devices vs Iran which may have 1 soon.Even if Iran bought nuclear devices from other rogue states, the retaliation from Israel would be the equivalent of 2,000 plus hiroshimas. 2.The 200 plus Israeli atomic devices are unstoppable by Iran i.e. up to 80 can be launched by submarines and the rest by ICBM or F-15s or F-16s 3.Israel has the world’s most advanced anti-ICBM missle umbrella which may be impenetrable by Iranian Shahib missles . Iran can only deliver their 1-2 atomic warheads by ICBMs with no other delivery capabilities. 4.Israel has a satellite system with multiple types of spy satellites which have reached the limit of possible resolution (defraction limit) generally thought to be about 10 centimeters and their satellite system is all weather. Together with their advanced UAV capabilities , this allows Israel to possess the most detailed photos and real-time imaging of all Iranian military installations . 5.The military technologic difference between Israel and Iran is wide. Israel has about 10% of the world-wide arms export market which based solely on merit and immensely competitive. IF anything, it is nothing short of a miracle and a tremendous tribute to Israel (jewish ) expertise that they sell to so many countries which never take the side of Israel in any dispute. There are those ,who imply much of Israel’s technological edge is due to massive American aid. However, that aid also has restrained the development of Israeli military technology. American military contractors regularly and understandably, attempt to undermine Israeli sale of military technology when it is in direct competition with American contractors’ efforts to sell abroad. Israel might have double the foreign military technologic sales if the US had never blanketly prohibited Israel selling directly to PRC. This is understandable. Iran sells nothing in world wide arms market. Their highly publicized Shahib 3 missle is nothing but a supped up version of the the 63 year old V2 Nazi ballistic missle. Israel supplies Israeli-developed military technology to most of the world’s top militaries including the USA, India, and China. China's J10 fighter is thought to be modeled on Israel’s Lavi.,the Israeli developed Jet fight. In terms of MBTs, Israel possesses 1500 consisting entirely of the modern highly regarded Merkava. Iran has approx. 500 all obsolete models including the T 72. In front-line aircraft Israel has approximately 800 with more than 500 being upgraded F15s and F16s. Israel also possesses in air refueling capabilities. Iran has about 250 front-line combat aircraft consisting mostly of obsolete older US and Russian fighters. It has no known in air refueling capability. Israel also is way ahead in production and use of UAVs and sells various models to many countries including Great Britain. There are other areas of military technology Israel is far more advanced than Iran.
 
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Shirrush    Pike.   4/18/2010 8:49:38 AM
No controversy here. John Pike is very reliable, but a slow one, and his lists often do not reflect recent ORBAT changes. Still, what he does represent an enormous amount of work, and I do not know of any alternative open-source for the "what army field what" game. Globalsecurity.org is a unique resource, except for these who can afford Jane.
 
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swhitebull       4/18/2010 9:00:45 AM



SYSOP, you may pull the plug. I was hoping that something new and interesting would come out of Cyrus- the-Minus ravings, but all we get is the same-old antisemitic trope. I would like his posts, however, not to be erased from the thread in order to educate us forum members and the occasional reader about what we're dealing with. 






Hahahahahahahaha.... antisemitism - the most powerful Jewish tool when you get OUT OF ARGUMENTS.

Pathetic acusations seen from time of Jesus Christ.




Iran is dealing with Israeli child-killers, barbarians, liars and criminals. That's why European Catholics like me are on Iranian side.

When there is a war between civilization and savages, I chose civilized side.

Yes, it's pretty obvious how civilized you are, as you cite NO credible sources for your blood libels. I WOULD try and spend some time learning how to write CIVILIZED English, though, since you seem to be somewhat remiss in your ability to spell correctly,  for such a "civilized" f-stick as yourself.
 
swhitebull
 
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Hamilcar       4/18/2010 10:03:55 AM

@H.

United States is to busy in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Navy us cutting holes in the water, Air Force is idle. both look for something to do. 
 
Turkey is far more closer to Iran then Israel.
 
Is that so. Why are they running operations on you in Northern Iran? 

UK? Very mad at Israel because of pasports.
 
That is a joke. What about those UK sailors Iran kidnapped? A~B. Guess what? Iran loses that one.  

Saudi Arabia is also much closer to Iran then Israel. 
 
Means that their missiles hit you sooner. How do you like that? Some choice?   

France? Only country which military "succeses" can be compared to Jewish. http://www.strategypage.com/Images/emteeth.gif" alt="" align="absmiddle" border="0" />
 
They beat Moslems with monotony. Most of their recent victories were against moslems.
 
Gulf Co-operative Council? You mean Qatar, Bahrein and Kuwait? Oh my God what a threat! 

 
All by them little selves. And they HATE you.
 
Egypt? They love Ahmedinejad more then Mubarak.


Iran was never friend to fascist Israeli regime, only American puppet M. R. Pahlavi was your friend.
 

Democratic Iran (till 1953 and from 1979) had never recognized Israeli quasi-state.

You had more democracy inder the Shah.

 
Face the facts, kid. 

Nice try, but you should read  before you  shoot off your mouth, KID. .

Muslims hate eachothers more then you? I guess that was Hitler said for capitalists and communists in mid 1945.  http://www.strategypage.com/militaryforums/Images/emwink.gif" alt="" align="absmiddle" border="0" />

Well he did say that, and look what happened to the Soviet Union? So in the end, we tired capitalists got both of them, didn't we? 

 



 















I don't deal in fantasies, kid.
 
Adults never do.
 
H.



 
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Hamilcar    Follow up.   4/18/2010 10:51:21 AM
Did Israel developed nuclear technology by their own?
 
Yes. Look at something called the Manhattan Project and then look at the list of scientists who later emigrated to Israel. 
 
Did Israel launched animals in space?
 
Why bother with rats when the TECSAR satellite us a more efficient use of money for purpose? 
 
Did Israel cloned animals?
 
 
Did Israel produced supercomputer?
 
 
Did Israel made towers of 435 meters?
 
Don't need to.
 
 
 
Did Israel made own submarines, helicopters and destroyers?
 
 
 
 
 
No, but Iran did.
 
The Bell Ranger is not Iranian invented, Kumquat. Neither is the rest of the US equipment you modify trot out in new sheet metal and claim is "Iranian
 ". 
Why? Because you're incompetent losers who only know to live due to foreign help.
 
That is the only true statement about the current Iranian regime you've made.

H.
 
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Shirrush    Supercomputers   4/18/2010 11:26:29 AM
It can be said that the Weizmann Institute actually pioneered the concept, back in 1954!
This was the basis for the hi-tech industry which is Israel's breadwinner today.  
 
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SYSOP1    HELP FROM THE BOARD MEMBERS cf - CYRUS THE SOUR GRAPE   4/18/2010 7:26:43 PM
We have revoked this asswipe's posting privileges several times- and he keeps on coming back with new email addresses like a bad Rial.
 
He has repeatedly posted virulently anti-Semitic nonsense, and his IP addresses will be reported to the appropriate authorities. As our regular posters know, this is a PRIVATE board, and such postings as his will not be tolerated.
If he reappears, since we cant always be monotiring 24/7, please notify us and his latest repulsive incarnation will be similarly dealt with.
 
Since this slug is in blatant violation of our rules of use, we feel under no obligation to protect his privacy, since he has no right to it.He can be contacted directly at :
 
 
Feel free to enjoy spamming this moron.
 
 
Thank you ahead of time for your cooperation
 
The SysOps Collective 
 
 
 
 
 
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JTR~~    my post again   4/19/2010 8:27:45 AM

You underestimate the Iranians my friend.
It is true that the Israeli army is very professional, and very combat experienced in urban warfare and defence tactics. They do have excellent equipment, defiantly up to the standard of many European armies. They have an air force of some considerable size with some good planes, but...
Iran could out recruit Israel to the point were even with all the compulsory conscripts Israel could manage they would still be outnumbered by over 20 to 1 (or somewhere along those lines)
Despite lacking an air force they have many, many anti aircraft defences many of them very advanced such as the British rapier system.
the Iranian army also boasts a considerably larger and more varied arsenal of weapons than those of the other enemies of Israel.
on this point Israel?s army is not particularly suited to all out open warfare, urban warfare and protecting its own borders are more of Israel?s cup of tea, although in saying this it has carried out several successful offensive operations on the past.
But again in saying this in recent years Israel has become used to fighting more insurgent based wars, not all out conventional warfare which is what it would be faced with when opposing the Iranian army. on the subject of the Israeli tanks, although very good, it again i believe is not really suited to open war, more again like urban combat. 
Iran?s military ties with other countries such as Russia may prove a decisive factor as Israel is not as self sufficient as it needs to be, and relies heavily on military hardware from the west e.g. Great Britain, and America.
Attacking Iran, could also have dire consequences for Israel itself, for it would surely attract more terrorist cells to the area, which would establish their own insurgent groups, while others would fuel Hezbollah?s ranks further. Al Qaeda would defiantly target Israel as a result of an assault on Iran, and Hezbollah would step up its attacks once more. Many radicals would now target Israeli for an attack on a Muslim nation, and i believe Iran is sort of seen as the "flagship" of the Muslim radical idealists.
without an army at home to defend Israel, old enemies and new would unite to overthrow the country (this is only a possibility, but it would defiantly leave Israeli very venerable, something which i think that the Israeli government would not want to risk)
Allied intervention from the UN may not come in the form of military support, as this could end up sparking a world war, due to the tense nature between the parties involved and their allegiances to other nations.
So to be quite honest with you, i don?t think Israel would have such an easy time against Iran, and the IDF could be likely to lose if such a thing ever happened. But one thing we could guarantee is that it would be very bloody, and even if the IDF won the war, Israel would be left in such a weakened state that some other enemy of Israel would rise up attack the country which by this time would be in no state to defend itself.
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Hamilcar    JTR reply.   4/19/2010 9:07:12 AM
1. Iran is a logistics joke.
2. Mobs do not make good armies.
3. Iran depends on BLUFF to hide its Potemkim military
4. The dictatorship, like most dictatorships, to hide its own corruption and failure, creates a bogeyman to blame for all the troubles they caused.
5. The correct counter is to encourage peaceful internal political revolution  and regime change.
 
This we can do. But first we must rectify via Constitutional means, our own criminal regime and set our own political house in order. 
 
H.   
 
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JTR~~       4/19/2010 12:27:29 PM

1. Iran is a logistics joke.

2. Mobs do not make good armies.

3. Iran depends on BLUFF to hide its Potemkim military


4. The dictatorship, like most dictatorships, to hide its own corruption and failure, creates a bogeyman to blame for all the troubles they caused.

5. The correct counter is to encourage peaceful internal political revolution  and regime change.

 

This we can do. But first we must rectify via Constitutional means, our own criminal regime and set our own political house in order. 


 

H.   



but you do not deny a war between the two could go either way?
without wondering about the outcome of such an event we can still conclude it would be very bloody, do you agree?
 
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Hamilcar       4/19/2010 6:19:03 PM
No I don't agree, for the reasons I gave.
 
H. 
 
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