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Subject: Turkey vs. Greece who better?
Irish Emo dudes 1/4/2007 7:32:39 PM

Greece spends 7 billion on their military and has american weapondry turkey spends 12 billion and also has american weapondry both used f-16's but turkey has ordered 100 f-35's not sure what greece is getting i think eurofighters...whose better militarily and who would win in a war (two different questions) and another thing i would like to know who is better trained?

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kane 3/6/2008 12:01:16 PM

actually more than that percent of the island was taken but due to pressure of UN we pulled back to north. Cypriot forces of course were no match to Turkish army though.

Anyway about what should have happened....
Cyprus doesn't just belong to Turks steved......Greeks wanted sack Turks, take their rights first and then formed gangs. Every action has a reaction so Turks did the same.....until Turkey came and stopped whats going on.

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GREEK 4 EVER!! 3/11/2008 7:02:22 PM

you guys still underestimate our arsenal well do a bit of research not to be rude.

and also havent you herd you thick head defence is the best stratergy what would you prefer to pick the battle groung and stay put of run up and down looking and charging at a wall of fresh untired soldiers your choice but id like to be the defender thanks we greeks have tryed to show you this valuble lesson but you never learn look at thermoply(dont know how to spell it)or the battle of marathon it just proves it and you just cant believe how effective it is to be the defender

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kane 3/12/2008 3:45:45 PM

you guys still underestimate our arsenal well do a bit of research not to be rude.

well thats not something new....defender always has the advantage....BTW you taught that lesson to Persians...We are Turkics and we taught you offensive lessons pretty much

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deep diver 3/15/2008 3:58:44 PM

The fall of Troy was one short episode in a very very long list of similar episodes.

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TROYs WAR has nothing to do with Turkie.
Turkies..or Otomans , or Selguks Turks DIDNT even excist at the time of the Troyan war,,,,,,
this actualy took place at least 1500 years before the apeareance of the first Otomans in the area...
and as descibed from Hommers epic poem "ILIADA "
Greeks and Troynas believed same Gods, spoke same language ,had EXACTLY same customs,even the political struction was the same (some exception with Sparta). As for cultural similarities well.....just take a look .and see the similarities between Greeks and Troyan temples and artifacts,statues etc (same as Sparta,Athens,Thebes,Macedonia,Korinth,etc..

Also just for the fun,,,,try to find any resemplance between Troyan and Turkish culture (none what so ever)

The first episodes starts around 2000 years .......after the fall of Troy (more or less 300 years , cant be realy any more accurate )

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deep diver 3/15/2008 4:29:10 PM

The fall of Troy was one short episode in a very very long list of similar episodes.

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kane 3/16/2008 2:51:26 PM

well that depends on your poiny of view.....we are not just Turks. What do you think has happened to population of Anatolia? Various ethnicities, civilaztions...all melted

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kosta 4/4/2008 3:43:38 AM

Ok this is my first time to post one of these on one of these forums and I hope I can bring some light to this argument. I?ve never really posted, I?m more of a reader but after watching how people reacted to the movie 300 my anger for stupidity started boiling and than I read this article and I couldn?t keep my tongue still.

So I?m going to give some information about myself because I believe in any argument you need to know who the person spouting all the facts or nonsense is. I hate people who just flame or try to use events in the past to lead the argument into a divided topic that will bring out the forum trolls.

I?m 24, a soon to be police officer, Greek-American meaning I was born here but I?m proud to be Greek, and have lived in the United States all my life, mostly in Houston, TX. I have a bachelors of Science from U of H. So now that you know a little about me and that I?m not some crazy person who just trying to flame about whose soccer team kicked whose let me give you some of my criticism across the board.

http://www.globalfirepower.com/ this website gives a fair estimate to the war power of many nations around the world.

So I put Greece vs Turkey lets see what happens.

http://www.globalfirepower.com/countries_comparison_detail.asp

OK hold on before you get all epeen on me and say omgs the checks are more on one side to the other. Because if we did that we are not being fair to the argument that the original question stated, who would win a war in the Balkans Greece or Turkey with out any support from any other nations. This also means that it?s a stand alone fight with what the nation has. It cannot buy anymore supplies nor gain anymore equipment (man power/vechiles/oil?etc)

Also lets not forget about this question was stated back about 2 years ago it seems so lets refresh the question.

Who would win a total all out war and it cannot buy anymore supplies nor gain anymore equipment (money/man power/vechiles/oil?etc) meaning also it has to self support it self from the day the war started as of today April 3 2008?

http://www.globalfirepower.com/countries_comparison_detail.asp

I put the chart below so you don?t have to do more than scroll around =D

bbl = Barrel of Oil (1 bbl = 42 US Gallons or 159 litres)
Value of "0" or "NR" = Not Reported

Greece

Turkey

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Godofgamblers kosta 4/5/2008 12:30:26 AM

Great first post, Kosta! I printed it off to read it.

You seem to indicate that the party in a defensive position would have the best chances. But let's say Turkey thus tried to use the terrain to its advantage by attacking, seizing the mountainous region and then holding that same position.

This would be more realistic than an out and out attempt to take over Greece which would not be accepted by the int'l community. Instead, Turkey could simply take border territory in a mountainous region and then sit on it, using its superior troop numbers to hold it and the Greeks would have to take massive casualties to re-take it.

How do you think such a scenario would play out? Which side has the better/more numerous alpine troops?

thx

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kane 4/6/2008 12:27:27 PM

Well if you mean mountain troops, Turkish army has plenty of them. And experinced guys......just check the operations against PKK.

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DragonReborn Greek Gun Ownership 4/7/2008 10:35:33 AM

Just out of interest does anyone know what the gun ownership is like in Greece? From what I've read Greece has very strict gun laws so I'm thinking its not high. I heard Switzerlands population is meant to have the highest gun ownership in the world with more than one gun per person!

My interest lies in the thought of if Turkey occuplied all or some of Greece how the Greeks in those areas would be able to rebel and fight an insurgency against occupying Turkish Forces.

E.g. In Iraq most house holds have access to AKs and other weaponry etc, probably plundered from ex Iraqi ARmy stocks, so it's quite easy for them to fight an insurgency. Does Greece have any way of effectivley fighting an insurgency?

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