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Subject: Turkey vs. Greece who better?
Irish Emo dudes    1/4/2007 7:32:39 PM
Greece spends 7 billion on their military and has american weapondry turkey spends 12 billion and also has american weapondry both used f-16's but turkey has ordered 100 f-35's not sure what greece is getting i think eurofighters...whose better militarily and who would win in a war (two different questions) and another thing i would like to know who is better trained?
 
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phenix       7/6/2010 6:24:09 PM
eece would win the first few engagements but the idustrial might of turkey would crush them. however if the greeks get pushed to peleponesia the war would draw to a stalemate becouse of patrianism. greece loves its independance and has little love for the turks
 
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Attila       8/24/2010 11:33:11 PM

What if Greeks and Turks were on the same side?




So much have been posted in this thread, trying to keep alive hatred between two nations that have far more in common than in differ! Trying to make the turk or greek reader of this thread fantasize war with his neighbor... for what? For the U.S. military industry to make 19billion $ revenue as the topic says?!

 

I'm Greek and i travel a lot ...one of my most favourite places is Turkey.. not only for its natural beuty but for its people! I have been there several times and i have never met any Turk to say a bad word when i tell him i'm Greek, on the contrary i think Turks like Greeks more than any other foreigner!


 

I have many Turk friends and the fact that our grandfathers fought each other, can't make me stop being friend with them! I know history and i respect it, but i don't like seeing others feeding hatred again for their geopolitical, political, economic, conspiracy, rule the world... reasons


 

But since this military comparison is imaginary ...compare this:

Greeks and Turks allied... against every other mediteranean power  ...!


far fiction huh?! The two most equiped and well trained armies around and already allies under NATO flag (having Turk commanders rulling Greek NATO troops and vice versa atm)


 

Some don't want good relations between Turkey and Greece ...


Some need them to be rivals...

But these that this conflict is at their interest, does not read threads like this one, its the people here that is called to oppose each other ...


 

wake up people


 

 

 
Thanks a lot mate really. I think this is the most important point in this topic. Turks and Greeks have lived together for a long time in peace until a side who has interest fighting and dividing once two allied nations. I most defintely believe if two countries must once again be allies from which both could benefit.

 
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TitanaMaster       8/25/2010 11:53:53 AM
Actually guys, the country which is attacked is almost always the winner. There is no chance for the Turks to win Greece when THEY are the attackers.
 
Someone who knows about history will tell you that Greeks have an unbeatable spirit (honestly this is true). When they fight an external attaker, they fight like "gods". Well! Remind what happened to Hitler. Why did the world second war stop? Because of GREEKS!!! (Germans are not very happy about that, hehe). Hittler was stopped by only a few Greeks in the second war (VERY few. I think they were not more than 50 or something. It takes some years that I've finished the school. hehe
The Germans were thousands. Always, the Greeks have had an incredibly strategical mind. They have done miracles in the history and they'll always do. After all, Greeks are peacfull. Why some people should attack them again? They've never lost in their mainland. For 400 years, they've been slaves, serving the Turks. But even after that, they fought and the Turks went to their country in "zero time".
 
Always keep in mind that if Greeks were not that powerfull, they wouldn't exist for the thousands years they've lived. And Turks were not the only guys that tried to make war with Greeks and did never success. Always, there is something lost in wars, but that does not mean that Greece is not Greece anymore because Turks got Constantinople.
 
Magically, Greece will never be beaten. I and thousands or millions of people are here for that. We just don't loose.
Anybody can tell anything he wants, and I will respect that. I don't think that this discussion is the best for now. Greeco-Turkish relations are still very fragil. Please respect that. Wars are made just because there are guns. Anything today is politicians' games. (loosers' games) There is actually no reason to make war.
 
And something that I forgot. It might be that Greeks are only 11.5 millions, but there are also the european countries which will help us. France for example which is a country that Greeks respect, which is also a big country. The countries which might not help are Germany and England. (They hate Greeks)
 
I will defend my country. Nothing is gift!
 
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TitanaMaster       8/25/2010 12:03:40 PM
Actually, I think Attila is right! I always knew it actually that Greeks and Turks MAY be friends. Well, this will break Americans' dream and strategy. I refuse to fight a Turk. And WE CAN break "our" ennemy-like relations. There are Greeks who hate Turks. But they are just a few. And vice versa, there are Turks who hate Greeks. They are... well not that few... but it's still ok. The only reason to make these two countries to fight may be the politicians and the armory makers.
 
 
I just hate people who want us to be ennemies. As I said before, we are a peacfull country. We won't anyway be the reason. I think that Turks won't too. Who wants to send his boy and brother to the war? Who wants them to be handicaps for their lives or even death?
 
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TitanaMaster       8/25/2010 12:10:06 PM
@Taximdriver
You think so! Open your history book and look at the page of World's Second War. These numbers don't say anything. It is just "guessing". Why can't Americans beat Irak? Why can't they beat anyone? Because they are the attackers.
War is not maths or statistic... Greeks did not have any oil reserve before, or money reserve. They were always a poor country, (excluding the Greeks of Constantinople and generally from outside Greece) but they DID RESIST!!!
 
Sorry but this is the truth.
Respect!
 
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TitanaMaster    Greece, member of the UE.   8/28/2010 7:43:19 PM
I forgot to say, that, while speaking about the greek army, you will have to include the french army too, the belgian army too etc.
 
When I'm talking about these armies, I don't say that the whole europeen army will defend us, but there is no need because the EU has a population of 350 millions I think whereas Turkey only has 70. (no comparison, 5 times more than Turks). Also, there are 7+ millions of Greeks outside the country.
Plus the American army. I don't know what they will do but they often helped Greece. Greece is a special part of this planet. I mean, we are known for the goodies we've given to this world, like democracy, philosophy, science, etc. plus we did never demand from others... whereas Turkey is more like a country which always have been atackers and it is not making a good image of them to their possible helpers.
 
These ideas are very usefull when there is an instability between 2 places. They are very helpfull for Greece, which has hard earned the world's respect (even the Turks' respect because there are Turks who love maths, physics, Greece...)
What is the first hymn every time when starting the Olympic Games? Where does the Olympic Fire starts from? => Greece, Archea Olympia (The Old Olympia). The Olympic Games are really a world's great event. Everybody knows it.
 
A Greeko-Turkish war is a finished idea. That's the key. Respect to be respected! It does help.
 
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JTR~~    Hmm??   9/13/2010 12:32:05 PM

 

militarily I?m not so sure about Turkeys absolute battlefield dominance, they haven?t exactly had all too much combat experience and they are in a rather precarious geographic position as it were, however in saying this i would most likely put my money on Turkey winning a war between the two, especially if it was a long and protracted conflict between the two. However either way even if Turkey did win, it would be a bloody victory, as Greeks forces are often very determined (going on historical examples here). I would even hazard saying that Turkey would most likely sustain far greater casualties, however in today?s world this fight is already decided, economically Greece is dead in the water, they don?t have enough money between them to hire a taxi, let alone mobilise a military force, whereas Turkey is a growing, blossoming economy, the complete opposites of each other, any other day i would have said it would be a damn close run thing, but you can fight a war without an economy, and more specifically without any money at all so it seems that isn?t loaned to you be your generous European neighbours.

It would be like the reverse of the siege of troy, with the Greeks trying to beg for money to buy fuel for the one tank that they have left, and the Turkish forces coming across the Aegean in a seahorse (get it, ha-ha, seahorse, ahhh classic, sigh, wipes tear from corner of eye)

 
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JTR~~    really??   9/14/2010 12:55:08 PM

I forgot to say, that, while speaking about the greek army, you will have to include the french army too, the belgian army too etc.

 

When I'm talking about these armies, I don't say that the whole europeen army will defend us, but there is no need because the EU has a population of 350 millions I think whereas Turkey only has 70. (no comparison, 5 times more than Turks). Also, there are 7+ millions of Greeks outside the country.

Plus the American army. I don't know what they will do but they often helped Greece. Greece is a special part of this planet. I mean, we are known for the goodies we've given to this world, like democracy, philosophy, science, etc. plus we did never demand from others... whereas Turkey is more like a country which always have been atackers and it is not making a good image of them to their possible helpers.

 



"I forgot to say, that, while speaking about the Greek army, you will have to include the French army too, the Belgian army too etc."

ermm no you don?t, due to Turkeys invaluable geographic position the major European powers would be unlikely to come to the aid of Greece. What does Greece have to offer the EU anymore?, and what does Turkey have to offer?, I?ll tell you, Greece has virtually nothing whereas Turkey is a growing economy, it would be a bad political decision for the EU powers to fight alongside Greece, they won?t necessarily support Turkey either, more likely is that they wouldn?t get involved

 

"I don't say that the whole European army will defend us" and what European army may that be?, because last time I checked, Europe wasn?t a super state with its own independent universal army


"Plus the American army" they wouldn?t help, They may call for peace as would Britain and maybe France, but overall America likes Turkey for the same reason as most other western nations, therefore they can?t afford to get involved, and could you imagine what would happen if a western coalition intervened, the middle east would be up in arms, every radical from California to Bagdad would cry for the blood of the western non Islamic populous, the west isn?t afraid of the radical middle eastern nations (cough cough Iran), but even we can see the sense of not entering what could possibly be world war 3 in the form of a modern crusade, and besides we wouldn?t be able to move for all the human rights do gooders that we could do with less of besieging our offices and governmental areas, claiming that we were launching a war of racism, honestly, its political correctness gone mad, anyway a little off topic there, so yes America can?t afford to upset Turkey.

"Greece is a special part of this planet. I mean, we are known for the goodies we've given to this world, like democracy, philosophy, science, etc" all every well and good, but I?d like to see them use that to win a war and defend their country.

 regards JTR~~

 
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Atmovat       9/27/2010 4:16:34 PM
Hello,i am a new member from Greece,i wish a war/conflict never happens between these two countries...
I will try to say how things are...
 
I do not dislike Turkish people but Turkish army chiefs,every month Turkish airforce invades to our air-space without any reason,they also "threaten" Greek fishermen while sailing in Greek waters.Greece position is purely defensive,our goverment has no itention invading Turkish teritory...
 
Lets say Turkey would start a war,it may be launched form Cyprus,over there Greece has better land-force (Leopards etc) but Turkey has better air-force,it is said that in Cyprus Greece has a small advantage overall but war is war eh...
 
Lets talk now about overall forces,
Is is logical that a country with 6 or 7 millions more population has a bigger army,but Greece has more updated weapons overall...
 
AIR FORCES:
What i have heard is that the air force is about equal,Greek pilots are as expirienced as Turkish ones,it is said that Greece has slightly more techologically advanced  crafts but i think Turkey has more aircrafts overall.
So i would give Turkey a slight advantage,however Greek isalnds located at the east Aegean sea have some serious AA guns...
 
NAVAL FORCES:
I think that about this sector Greece has the upper hand,it is said to have one of the best (if not the best) naval force in Europe,there are boats that can launch missiles targeting Turkey form safe distance.
A week or two ago the new Type 219 subs were oficially put into action (they were launched 2 or 3 years ago but they have been seriously enhanced).These four subs are the cutting edge underwater technology in the world.

LAND FORCE:
To tell you the truth i havent really investigated this sector but i think Turkey is the overpowered force here...
I know that Turkey has many outdated vehicles while Greece doesnt,but the man force is crucial if it has to do with land force.
I will invstigate the matter more.
 
I hope a conflict will never take place,it is by far better to fund education and other internal issues.
 
Greetings from Greece
Atmovat
 
 

 
 
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Atmovat       9/29/2010 7:37:29 AM
 Hi, i would like to correct some minor mistakes (i was too tired when writing this post).
 
Turkey has 6 -7 times (not millions) more population.
The new Greek subs are Type 214 (not 219)
 
Have a nice day
Atmovat
 
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