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Subject: Turkey vs. Greece who better?
Irish Emo dudes    1/4/2007 7:32:39 PM
Greece spends 7 billion on their military and has american weapondry turkey spends 12 billion and also has american weapondry both used f-16's but turkey has ordered 100 f-35's not sure what greece is getting i think eurofighters...whose better militarily and who would win in a war (two different questions) and another thing i would like to know who is better trained?
 
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kane       4/7/2008 12:33:22 PM
insurgency would always exist.....it's just too hard to wipe it off. Guerilla warfare could harm the enemy and make them think  but wouldN't effectivly stop anyone if the enemy is determined.
 
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Azr@el       4/8/2008 5:46:16 AM

     Oddly enough I may be best positioned to judge who would prevail; hellene or turk. I was in a fist fight with both a turk and a greek. Actually it was a few turks and a single greek. In the case of the greek guy it was my fault, the guy was trying to get out of it, i was drunk, had my my fur up and was having none of his half hearted apologies( don't remember for what, i was drunk). I've got to say I nearly busted a gut laughing, he tried to slap me in the middle of a fist fight. he lasted about 20-30 seconds and was rather sullen and quiet as I repeatedly kicked him after he tripped and fell. As far as the turks, it was there fault, they picked on one of my mates while I and another were chasing skirt in another part of the bar. The melee turned dirty pretty quickly, bottles, chairs and a pocket knife. Two of them broke and ran, a third get dragged out by me and some and worked over as he wept while onlooker just walked by with barely a second glance. Manila is a funny town, the cops are are eternal holiday.
     From these two experiences, the technomic levels of two combatants as well as the respective ready arsenals I would predict the war would unfold as follows: Turkey would get some really cool hand me down german fanboy gear outfitted with israeli racing stripes, get a swollen head and pick a fight thinking the wind had shifted in it's favor. Greece would attempt to avoid conflict which would be misread as a sign of weakness thus trigger a turkish island grab. The turks would then proceed to beat the ever loving snot out of the greek military using every dirty trick in the book. After awhile their would be a UN ceasefire negotiated by washington and brussels. After a few months of intensive lobbying by greek-americans, FOX news would start reporting that al-qaeda was HQ'd in istanbul and that the turks were ramp bombing greek islanders by rolling bombs out the back of an-26's ( regardless of how inefficient this is, it always plays better in the media than good old fashioned strafing from dedicated CAS platforms ). After of few weeks of these reports the u.s. military would move in to restore order and beat down the turkish military in about 32 minutes ( this will come to be known as the 32 minute war ). The turkish PM will then break down on international TV and beg for peace, probably manage to sneak in an attaturk quote in the process, most of the turkish generals would have fled the country.

Conclusion: War is bad, peace is good. Turks and greeks should not make war , they should make love. But not in front of me, unless  they're are both women and understand the meaning of brazilian wax.

   
 
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kane       4/8/2008 3:14:44 PM
that was not a good story....neither it was something you should take as an "example" for viewing Turks.
Things like these cause "stereotypes" and I can tell you it's pretty wrong.
Turks will use the evvery dirty thing in the book? yeah whatever......
At least I agree with you that there should be no war. And where exactly did you meet these Turks?

 
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Godofgamblers       4/8/2008 11:18:36 PM
Dude, you're analyzing Turk and Greek geopolitics based on two bar fights you had? Mwhahahahha....you've got imagination, man, i'll give you that! Not sure if your analysis will hold up under the intense scrutiny of SP members though....
 
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Kouklis       4/24/2008 3:03:18 AM
KK. Im a Greek-American (american born and raized), but i go to greece frequently and take a great deal of intrest in its politics, military and other aspects. FIRST THIS HAS TO BE CLEAR. Greece and Turkey will never go to war atleast not any time soon(generations) i think we have resolved many past issues and both are reformed countires to have a great deal of trade and cultural exchage.
 
1.Greece has build up its military forces for a defenive war.
  a. Put into acount a huge amout of artiliry, armor, and aa-system for a realy realy small nation.
  b. Our terrain is extremley dificult to manuver, taken from personal experiance.
 
2.Turkey is also has a very defencive built military, because of attacks from rebels and militant groups.
  a.Turkeys HUGE population.
  b.Larger airforce
  c.Larger armor force
 
Overall the war is a stalemate. Its immposible for any advanced on either side.
 a. Greece has  no chance of invading turkey. Just get rid of that thought. Not enough personel.
 b.Turkeys armor force is worthless in greeces terrain and would get demolished by its armor
 c.The turkish navy is slightly bigger than the greek navy, but then you have to put into account that the Hellenic Navy is one of the best trained navys in the world, ranking way above turkey.
 d. Turkey airforce means nothing over a nation were there are aa-sites spread all over the islands. And either way of dog fights Greece and Turkey both train their airforces EVERYDAY for reasons not known to me(extreme paranoia in my opinion).
 #so overall invasion of greece is nearly impossible and extremley difficult. Greece as i stated has NO CHANCE of invasion. Our military isnt close to big enough.
 
   * Now you also have to put into account the non-military facts
 a.Turkey is huge and is alot alot alot more difficult to manage during war. (food lvls will be lol, and managing both a military and public works( hospitals, schools, and any other central run works) will be extemely difficult.)
 b.turkey is constantly under attack by rebels and militant groups and is constantly trying to protect is borders to the west.
 c.Greece has nuclear connections but would never use them because they are to to close and will be affected just as much as turkey.
 = overall all out war for turkey against greece of a enemy of rivaling strength would end up more catastrophic for them.
 
And PLZ, stop putting ethnocentric though into these. Im greek but am takeing a realistic aproach to my thought. And either way NATO would jump in realy realy quickly in my opinion. Europe has to many intrest in greece to just sit back and watch. And the US would be neutral and wouldnt do anything unless its bases were threatened
 
 
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Kouklis       4/24/2008 3:08:32 AM
Oh and just like the other guys said( i cant remember the name), dont stereotype people. Everyone is their own person, i know many greeks and afew turks. I have problems with greeks and turks but also have many friends of each. People are people and you cant base what you think of someone on what happend in a fight or what you saw from one or afew people.
 
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jmk3438       5/16/2008 11:57:36 AM
yea, dont forget though, 30 mill are kurds and they dont like the turks.
 
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kane       5/17/2008 7:01:41 AM
wanna check the statistics? 30 million Kurds? PFFFFF....
The researches show that there are at most 12 million, while most logical estimate being 7 million Kurds.
The thing howewer is this, most of the Kurds are assimilated and they doN't even know they're Kurds. For example, there might be Kurds on my mother's side but I don feel like I'm a Kurd.
 The number of people who speaks Kurdish language as their mother tongue is even less than their numbers...

The other wrong thing is this.....most Kurds do not hate Turkey, they're pretty happy in here. I doN't think they'd like to live in a backward Kurdistan in their medieval(A&&50;&&04;RET) system with all those ancient laws.

 
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hoplite9       6/18/2008 3:39:21 PM

Greece spends 7 billion on their military and has american weapondry
turkey spends 12 billion and also has american weapondry
both used f-16's but turkey has ordered 100 f-35's not sure what greece is getting i think eurofighters...whose better militarily and who would win in a war (two different questions) and another thing i would like to know who is better trained?


 
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Costas       6/30/2008 12:46:31 PM
greece would make a great defense they have a great navy also they have aa missles on nearly every island and hidden army bases
 
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