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Subject: Iran captures 15 RN sailors
AdvanceAustralia    3/23/2007 9:33:52 AM
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The Iranian Navy has reportedly captured 15 sailors of the Royal Navy who were conducting a search of a merchant ship in Iraqi waters and taken them into Iranian waters.

What has prompted this action? Is Iran intending to hold them hostage while demanding the return of the former deputy defence minister who recently defected to the West? Concessions on economic sanctions? Maybe they are trying to provoke the West to give them a b*tch-slapping?

Any thoughts?

" This story is from our news.com.au network Source: AFP
Iran navy detains British soldiers

* From correspondents in Tehran
* March 23, 2007

At least 15 British sailors are being detained by Iranian navy vessels in the Gulf.

The British Ministry of Defence confirmed the detainment, adding that it was "urgently" seeking clarification from Tehran.

Details of the incident remained sketchy.

?The British government is demanding the immediate and safe return of our people and equipment,? the Defence Ministry in London said, adding that the sailors had been detained after a routine boarding of a merchant ship in Iraqi waters.

British military spokesman Major David Gell would confirm only that ?we are chasing these reports and we are aware of an incident in the north of the Persian Gulf".

?There has been an incident there but we have no details at this stage,? he said.

News reports had originally suggested that there were American military personnel among those detained in the Shatt al-Arab waterway close to the southern stretch of Iraq's border with Iran."
 
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Softwar    2 ways   3/23/2007 9:41:22 AM
It will go one of two ways...
 
The sailors will be presented on Iranian TV and declare they were in Iranian waters and Tehran will release them or...
 
Iran will refuse access and it will escalate quickly through diplomatic channels toward a military respone.   RN/USN/RAF/USAF airstrkes are a real possibility.
 
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NotUkOnly       3/23/2007 9:47:50 AM
I suspect this is an Iranian ploy to get the Usa to show its hand on how it feels about Iran in general...

I think it will end up as a storm in a teacup BUT its the beginning of something bigger and could well force the Usa/Uk alliance to take some action of a military nature down the road.
Ahmajinedad is struggling for power so he has to do something, al la Galtieri, to unite his cronies behind him
Is this the start of another conflict???  Eventually...................Yes!!


 
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AdvanceAustralia       3/23/2007 11:17:56 AM
link this has happended before (2004). One would expect the coalition to be alert for this. Is anyone familiar enough with shipping search activies in the Gulf to know why HMS Cornwall could not give its sailors protection?

Cheers.

 
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AdvanceAustralia    Correction   3/23/2007 11:20:44 AM

link this has happended before (2004). One would expect the coalition to be alert for this. Is anyone familiar enough with shipping search activies in the Gulf to know why HMS Cornwall could not give its sailors protection?

Cheers.

I don't know why this cr@ap software mixes link addresses with text but this should read:

link this has happended before (2004). One would expect the coalition to be alert for this. Is anyone familiar enough with shipping search activies in the Gulf to know why HMS Cornwall could not give its sailors protection?

Cheers.

 
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AdvanceAustralia    I give up   3/23/2007 11:22:52 AM
...but if anyone can answer the question I'd appreciate it. Thanks.
 
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EKAdams       3/23/2007 1:54:05 PM
What I'm intrigued in is that it was meant to happen as soon as they were finishing up on an inspection of another ship, as if those Iranian vessels were escorting it, just in case certain things were in danger of being discovered.
 
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EKAdams       3/23/2007 1:54:15 PM
What I'm intrigued in is that it was meant to happen as soon as they were finishing up on an inspection of another ship, as if those Iranian vessels were escorting it, just in case certain things were in danger of being discovered.
 
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EKAdams       3/23/2007 1:54:24 PM
What I'm intrigued in is that it was meant to happen as soon as they were finishing up on an inspection of another ship, as if those Iranian vessels were escorting it, just in case certain things were in danger of being discovered.
 
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EKAdams       3/23/2007 1:54:31 PM
What I'm intrigued in is that it was meant to happen as soon as they were finishing up on an inspection of another ship, as if those Iranian vessels were escorting it, just in case certain things were in danger of being discovered.
 
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EKAdams       3/23/2007 1:55:19 PM
Oops, seemed like it reposted a few times.
 
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PlatypusMaximus       3/23/2007 8:09:30 PM
A distraction from Saturday at the UN perhaps? Pathetic, vile terrorists. I'm ready for $500/barrel. Let's get it on!
 
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reefdiver       3/23/2007 10:18:45 PM
Who is most likely to know their own GPS coordinates - the British Navy, or the Iranian Navy?  In other words, were the British in Iranian waters?  One would think there would be lots of radar records showing exactly where they were.
 
This isn't the first time Iran has done this and won't be the last.  Must be nice to be British Navy and know your "backup" isn't going to do anything to protect you near the borders.  I'm surprised Bush hasn't had US forces moved to the "border" areas to act as a tripwire. On the other hand - maybe thats why the Brits want the job.
 
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PowerPointRanger    Coincidence?   3/23/2007 10:36:39 PM
I am not a strong believer in coincidence.  I find it unlikely that a large number of heavily armed Iranian patrol boats would just coincidentally happen to be near a number of lightly armed British marines near a disputed border.  More likely, this was a deliberate Iranian attempt to snatch coalition troops.
 
While in the past Iranians released the Brits after making their point, I don't think it will happen in this case.  It may be an effort  to force a trade for high level Iranians who recently defected.  It may also be an attempt to create leverage building up to international negotiations over sanctions.
 
It won't accomplish either.  These aren't Americans.  It will more likely alienate Europeans who would otherwise be indifferent to Iran's schemes (or merely satisfied with some bribes).
 
 
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reefdiver       3/23/2007 11:20:50 PM

I am not a strong believer in coincidence.  I find it unlikely that a large number of heavily armed Iranian patrol boats would just coincidentally happen to be near a number of lightly armed British marines near a disputed border.  More likely, this was a deliberate Iranian attempt to snatch coalition troops.

 

While in the past Iranians released the Brits after making their point, I don't think it will happen in this case.  It may be an effort  to force a trade for high level Iranians who recently defected.  It may also be an attempt to create leverage building up to international negotiations over sanctions.

 

It won't accomplish either.  These aren't Americans.  It will more likely alienate Europeans who would otherwise be indifferent to Iran's schemes (or merely satisfied with some bribes).

 


I don't believe it will be wise for the Iranians to attempt extortion "at this juncture"...
 
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PowerPointRanger    Wisdom   3/24/2007 2:04:45 AM
Wisdom doesn't seem to be a consideration in Iranian decision making.
 
 
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