Debka mentions USS Boxer, which is LHD-4.

 

But there are numerous battlegroups and 3 or more carriers. ...

 

US forces hindered by having to manage the French.

Do you think they will forward intel home to Chirac, for sale to Iran? Or just accidently broadcast in the open? Or just collect ew,coms, etc for sale to china?

Aren't the French there to help with Afghanistan?  In the case of an attack on Iran their presence in the area would probably just make them a PITA.   Would the Iranians dare strike out at the French as well? 

 

landbased sites vs jdam, tomahawk, helos, seals

diesel sub sub based launcher vs attack subs

sizzler vs e2c, aegis, ciws

 

french exocet testing during falklands - Thanks France. Never forgotten.

russian sizzler testing during iran war - Thanks Russia. We won't forget.

 

 

That will mean 4 sunk carriers-interesting. Xerxes must be a God.

Herc -  do you ever get tired of making yourself look foolish?  The carriere arent IN the shallow Persian Gulf, they are in deep sea. Iran doesnt have a deep sea capability that I know of, nor the range.

 

 

swhitebull  -  do some research rather than making comments like yours.  It gets tiresome.

Actually there is no confirmation of Sizzler either. But Iran has Kilo class diesel subs and several makeshift boats etc. I wouldn't be surprised if there are dhows with Ashm operating further south. If u remeber the rocket torpedo video Iran released, it was almost dropped by hand into the water from a 20 foot inboard. You do not need an elaborate battleship.

WOW  thats some serious statement Herc, 4 sunk carriers. The so called Persian Empire return you spoke to me about would get off  to very slow start if Iran took on just the U.S. so imagine if it took on the French and the British too! Yeah I would have to agree the last statement of do "some research". Iran should step very lightly even if they do have a nuke. the U.S., Britain and France are very formidable adversaries with multiple hundreds of nuclear weapons. If unleashed Iran would be no more, period. Not to mention the rest of the planet.

Jane's Defence Weekly (JDW) reported on Friday Ukraine had sold Kolchuga radio intelligence complexes to Iran.

We cannot use nukes that easily. The Middle east has a lot of oil and gas and we cannot contaminate the area.

And it is entirely possible for small but well financed and trained militaries like Navy can take out the Carriers. Several

threads in the past have shown the carrier to be a big whale. Check the Hanit hit in the Israel section. And if they even have 4 sizzlers the carriers are toast. Technology is so advanced that anybody can counter some of these ships.

And it is entirely possible for small but well financed and trained militaries like Navy can take out the Carriers. Several

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

Oh, Herc, sometimes you are quite entertaining.

 

You're right - no way the US would use nukes. But now that you bring it up, it would however be interesting to contemplate contaminating the Iranian oil field - not the oil - perhaps with some sort of dirty bomb.  It would take them years to redrill from a safe distance.  Of course there is the small problem of them retaliating against Iraq, Saudi, and Kuwait oil fields in kind... As part of a major attack to take out Iran, it might however assure they could not afford to rearm.

If however you could prevent this retailation scenerio, then lets see - oil prices might rise rapidly and permanently, and the neighbors would get richer and be rid of the Shia PITA for a long time (and the US maye a lot poorer). Oh well, just another lunatic idea.

Herc, the last time US fleet carrier was sunk in combat was 26 October, 1942 (CV-8, the Hornet) during Guadalcanal (almost 65 years ago).  Why has it been such a long time?

 

1) We know how to build our carries tough

2) We know how to keep the damaged ones afloat

3) We know how to use them in combat

4) Well, they're just freakin' huge (90,000+ tons of displacement for a Nimitz class)

 

I'm not including the the USS Princeton (CVL 23), which was sunk in 1944 during the Battle of Leyte Gulf, because the US no longer has light carriers (unless you want to count amphibious assault ships, which serve a different role).  Regardless, of how you want to parse it, it's been a long time.

 

If the Iranians are hoping to sink a US carrier, well, they certainly dream big.

 

I'm not including the the USS Princeton (CVL 23), which was sunk in 1944 during the Battle of Leyte Gulf, because the US no longer has light carriers (unless you want to count amphibious assault ships, which serve a different role).  Regardless, of how you want to parse it, it's been a long time.

I guess you don't include escort carriers either.  The really last Carrier that was sunk was the USS Bismarck Sea  (CVE) in Feb. 1945. 

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But you are right, no way the Iranians, or anyone else for that matter, knock out a carrier.  Aside from tactical nuclear weapons it is the most lethal weapon in the US arsenal.  I don't think the Iranians would even attempt to fight a carrier.