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Subject: Nukes or bread?
AdvanceAustralia    4/22/2007 2:48:39 PM
Informative article on the current regime's focus on the ability to risk national destruction in preference to feeding the people.

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Educated Iranians were already not happy at being educated but unable to find employment within Iran. Now the uneducated are unhappy because they cannot adequately feed their children.

Not good news for any regime.

Cheers.
 
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AdvanceAustralia    Try again   4/22/2007 2:51:02 PM
I thought I had the link thing down pat but it seems to be a bit of a lottery.
 
 
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h**p://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,21601148-31477,00.html
 
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Herc the Merc    laughable   4/24/2007 1:25:29 PM
The IPI project is expected to be signed in June. THat is the Iran Pakistan and India pipeline, the pipeline alone cost $7 billion, additional revenues to Iran will at least be $5billion per year, enough to feed the poor. Plus Royal Dutch Shell is completely ignoring US pressure for oil deals --
business.guardian.co.uk/story/0,,2001512,00.html
 
Sinopec of China has $100billion indeals, Russia has deals. Its not nukes or bread--its nukes and cake--oops make it caviar with illicit Vodka. You are off on this one Advance-Iran has the force on their side.
 
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AdvanceAustralia       4/24/2007 1:39:20 PM

The IPI project is expected to be signed in June. THat is the Iran Pakistan and India pipeline, the pipeline alone cost $7 billion, additional revenues to Iran will at least be $5billion per year, enough to feed the poor. Plus Royal Dutch Shell is completely ignoring US pressure for oil deals --

business.guardian.co.uk/story/0,,2001512,00.html

 

Sinopec of China has $100billion indeals, Russia has deals. Its not nukes or bread--its nukes and cake--oops make it caviar with illicit Vodka. You are off on this one Advance-Iran has the force on their side.

"Iran has the force on their side"???

ROFLMAO. What do you think this is, Herc. F*cking Star Wars?

 
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Herc the Merc    Star wars   4/24/2007 1:56:09 PM
Doesn't the UN cafe or bar resemble the scene where all species gathered in the cafe in Star Wars??
 
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reefdiver       4/24/2007 2:10:40 PM
Herc has a point here that I've long supported - nothing is going to really happen in Iran until other countries stop falling all over themselves trying to get contracts and oil from Iran.  Even ignoring Russia and China, if the rest of the industrialized nations would all stop dealing with Iran and really, really screw down the financial vice on Iran's head - then the mullahs might be in real danger. Today however they absolutely (and fairly reliably) count on the disunity of the western nations. Without western unity, the Iranian "problem" will not be solved without war. Without western unity, the US will probably end up unilaterally attacking Iran to solve the problem.
 
Yep - the "force" is with them at this time. I've got no problem with Herc saying that.
 
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Herc the Merc    Complete Surrender-Advance, its full reverse now   4/24/2007 2:21:23 PM
World powers may relent on Iran uranium

By GEORGE JAHN, Associated Press Writer 15 minutes ago

ANKARA, Turkey - The United States and other world powers are willing to consider an Iranian proposal that would allow the country to keep some of its uranium enrichment program intact instead of dismantling it completely, government officials said Tuesday.

On the eve of talks between top Iranian envoy Ali Larijani and Javier Solana, the

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European Union's foreign policy chief, the officials ? some of them diplomats, others based in their capitals ? said the discussions were key because for the first time they could try to sidestep the deadlock over enrichment by trying to agree on a new definition of the term.
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ie gobbledygook for "We give up" enrich not to 95% which is full bomb category but say 75%--the new limit that can make a "LITE" version of the standard nuke bomb. Why bother negotiating simply give Iran the bomb-save taxpayer dollars, imagine those negotiaters on our payroll are simply extending talks to visit Switzerland. LOL.
 
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reefdiver       4/24/2007 4:38:15 PM
Herc has a point here that I've long supported - nothing is going to really happen in Iran until other countries stop falling all over themselves trying to get contracts and oil from Iran.  Even ignoring Russia and China, if the rest of the industrialized nations would all stop dealing with Iran and really, really screw down the financial vice on Iran's head - then the mullahs might be in real danger. Today however they absolutely (and fairly reliably) count on the disunity of the western nations. Without western unity, the Iranian "problem" will not be solved without war. Without western unity, the US will probably end up unilaterally attacking Iran to solve the problem.
 
Yep - the "force" is with them at this time. I've got no problem with Herc saying that.
 
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AdvanceAustralia    Caviar for some   5/1/2007 3:01:23 PM

The IPI project is expected to be signed in June. THat is the Iran Pakistan and India pipeline, the pipeline alone cost $7 billion, additional revenues to Iran will at least be $5billion per year, enough to feed the poor. Plus Royal Dutch Shell is completely ignoring US pressure for oil deals --

business.guardian.co.uk/story/0,,2001512,00.html

 

Sinopec of China has $100billion indeals, Russia has deals. Its not nukes or bread--its nukes and cake--oops make it caviar with illicit Vodka. You are off on this one Advance-Iran has the force on their side.

The caviar and vodka will only be enjoyed by the few at the top with access to power and corruption. The uneducated many will be lucky to get their allocation of a few handfuls of rice.

 
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Herald1234       5/1/2007 5:17:44 PM

World powers may relent on Iran uranium


By GEORGE JAHN, Associated Press Writer 15 minutes ago




ANKARA, Turkey - The United States and other world powers are willing to consider an Iranian proposal that would allow the country to keep some of its uranium enrichment program intact instead of dismantling it completely, government officials said Tuesday.





On the eve of talks between top Iranian envoy Ali Larijani and Javier Solana, the



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European Union's foreign policy chief, the officials ? some of them diplomats, others based in their capitals ? said the discussions were key because for the first time they could try to sidestep the deadlock over enrichment by trying to agree on a new definition of the term.

__________________________________

ie gobbledygook for "We give up" enrich not to 95% which is full bomb category but say 75%--the new limit that can make a "LITE" version of the standard nuke bomb. Why bother negotiating simply give Iran the bomb-save taxpayer dollars, imagine those negotiaters on our payroll are simply extending talks to visit Switzerland. LOL.



You know.............I despise selective postings, misrerpresentations and faulty analyses by liars, cowards, and idiots.

[quoting in full, the ONE report on this story so far from the link that the idiot provided]
World powers may relent on Iran uranium
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ANKARA, Turkey ? The United States, Russia, China and key European powers may for the first time be ready to allow Tehran to keep some of its uranium enrichment program instead of demanding it be completely mothballed, foreign government officials said Tuesday.

Speaking on the eve of talks between top Iranian envoy Ali Larijani and Javier Solana, the European Union's foreign policy chief, the officials ? some of them diplomats, others based in their capitals^1 ? said the discussions were key because for the first time they could try to sidestep the deadlock over enrichment by trying to agree on a new way of defining enrichment.

Iran's defiance of a U.N. Security Council demand to freeze all activities linked to enrichment ? a possible pathway to nuclear arms ? has led to two sanctions-bearing resolutions against Tehran, the latest in March. Although the punishments are selective and relatively mild, they could be further sharpened if the Islamic republic refuses to compromise.^1

The United States and others say past suspicious nuclear activities ? including a program Tehran kept secret for nearly two decades ? make Iran a special case.

But Tehran argues the sanctions are illegal, saying that it ? like other nations that have endorsed the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty ? has the right to enrich to generate nuclear power. That, say Iranian officials, is the only purpose of their program, rejecting suspicions that they want ultimately to enrich to weapons-grade uranium for the fissile core of nuclear warheads.

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The last face-to-face talks between Solana and Larijani were more than six months ago, and they foundered over the same issue. Solana, representing the United States, Russia, China, Britain, France and Germany, demanded that Iran mothball not only fledging enrichment efforts but all linked aspects, including assembling centrifuges to enrich and facilities to house such plants. Tehran refused.^2

The approach on both sides before Wednesday's talks, however, might make a compromise easier, because of a new willingness to examine possible ways of redefining an enrichment freeze, said the officials, who spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because their information was confidential.^3

Iran now is running more than 1,300 centrifuge machines and ? as a prelude to enrichment ? has coated their insides with minute amounts of the uranium gas that is used for enrichment itself, according to an internal International Atomic Energy Agency document.

Iran's ultimate goal is to run 50,000 centrifuges a year, enough to churn out material for a network of nuclear power generators ? or a full-scale nuclear weapons program, should it choose to do so.

One of the diplomats said recognition by the United States and its allies that Iran would never accept their earlier demand of a full freeze dictated a decision to contemplate "a new definition of enrichment" that would allow Tehran to keep some of its program intact without actually turning out enriched material.^4

"The prize is the 50,000," he said, alluding to attempts by the six world powers to prevent Iran from developing its full-scale program at its underground enrichment facility at Natanz.

He said the United States was favoring "cold standby" ? where a set number of centrifuges are allowed to remain standing and assembled in series but not running. Iran, he said, was likely coming to Wednesday's discussions seeking "hot standby" ? with the machines at least operating, if not producing enriched uranium.

The six powers also wanted to reduce assembled and hooked-up centrifuges to less than 1,000, so ? should Larijani and Solana agree that there was further room for discussion ? numbers also would likely play a role, he said.^5

Copyright 2007 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

^1. Typical Persian tactic, try to open a wedge in the competing interests of the opposing camp. READ FRANCE.
^2 Again a typical Persian tactic trying to dangle a false compromise they can break later. Or maybe they've been taking DPRK lessons.
^3 Meaning the French don't want to be caught in the open and diplomatically isolated in the EU, by their fellow member states for sacrificing overall EU safety on the altar of French expediency.
^4 Nothing has come from the United States that even remotely suggests that the US is prepared to accept this claptrap. Where is the US declaration in support of this? All of this wishful thinking is coming out of a news report funneled out of ANKARA? This also makes no sense. Sources reported should be closer to the actual negotiating site which is Tehran and NEW YORK don't you think?
^5 In simple English, the Iranians haven't even agreed to talk about this claptrap yet.

So, liar, coward, and idiot; here is yet another chance for you to stand and slug an argument out. Here I am. Come out and play.

Herald

 
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