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Subject: Avigdor Lieberman
Herc the Merc    11/1/2006 3:49:17 PM
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Shirrush    Jewish pride anyone?   11/2/2006 1:56:13 PM
Avigdog Doberman is off the radar screen this week, except that he is only one of the factors testing our tolerance these days. He and his foreign, Pamyiat-inspired ideology that apes the worst antisemites in their own language, accent and demeanor, are a red blanket for many of us, and I think that I'm not the only Israeli Jew that sees Ivan Pogromtchick with his ax, behind every word I overhear in the loathsome-sounding Russian language. Same thing regarding the planned poofter's march in Jerusalem next week: if it indeed goes through, it is certain to turn ugly, since the mostly religious residents, hard hit by poverty and a perennial housing crisis accompanied with dire environmental problems, are stretched to the very limit of their tolerance, and view the gay pride thing as an insult to the very core of their beliefs.

Israel is facing an existential threat, and at the same time its democracy is especially threatened as the present, exceedingly corrupt leadership has lost the very respect of most of the citizenry. I'm afraid that the leaders that will emerge from what can be best described as a revolutionary situation, will be a lot worse than this Lieberman buffoon.
 

 
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Rasputin       11/3/2006 10:46:05 AM
Wow that is bad in the holy land. But those religious types seem to only complain and condemn, are they capable of standing up to fight??? Don't think that it will be violent.

Govt, oh my goodness, they don't even seem to care that there is a war going on, some care only about money, others about raping women. It really looks bleak.

 
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Rasputin       11/3/2006 10:32:06 PM

Avigdog Doberman is off the radar screen this week, except that he is only one of the factors testing our tolerance these days. He and his foreign, Pamyiat-inspired ideology that apes the worst antisemites in their own language, accent and demeanor, are a red blanket for many of us, and I think that I'm not the only Israeli Jew that sees Ivan Pogromtchick with his ax, behind every word I overhear in the loathsome-sounding Russian language. Same thing regarding the planned poofter's march in Jerusalem next week: if it indeed goes through, it is certain to turn ugly, since the mostly religious residents, hard hit by poverty and a perennial housing crisis accompanied with dire environmental problems, are stretched to the very limit of their tolerance, and view the gay pride thing as an insult to the very core of their beliefs.

Israel is facing an existential threat, and at the same time its democracy is especially threatened as the present, exceedingly corrupt leadership has lost the very respect of most of the citizenry. I'm afraid that the leaders that will emerge from what can be best described as a revolutionary situation, will be a lot worse than this Lieberman buffoon.
 

To be fair, I have not seen any objective evidence that Avigdor lieberman is a gay homosexual. Do you have any supporting evidence that he is leading the homo march into Jerusalem?

From what I ganered he has other agendas for his polotics.

Avigdor Lieberman was born in 1958 in the USSR and immigrated to Israel in 1978.

He holds a B.A. in Social Sciences from the Hebrew University of Jerusalem.

Founder of the Yisrael Beiteinu party and the Zionist Forum, Lieberman served as Secretary of the National Workers' Union in Jerusalem; Chairman, Board of Directors of Information Industries; Member, Board of Directors of Economic Corporation of Jerusalem (1983-1988); Director of the Likud Movement (1993-1996); and Director-General Prime Minister's Office (1996-1997).

Elected to the Knesset in 1999, he served as a member of the Knesset Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee.

In March 2001, Avigdor Lieberman was appointed Minister of National Infrastructures.

He is married, with three children.



 
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jastayme3       11/29/2006 11:19:33 PM

Avigdog Doberman is off the radar screen this week, except that he is only one of the factors testing our tolerance these days. He and his foreign, Pamyiat-inspired ideology that apes the worst antisemites in their own language, accent and demeanor, are a red blanket for many of us, and I think that I'm not the only Israeli Jew that sees Ivan Pogromtchick with his ax, behind every word I overhear in the loathsome-sounding Russian language. Same thing regarding the planned poofter's march in Jerusalem next week: if it indeed goes through, it is certain to turn ugly, since the mostly religious residents, hard hit by poverty and a perennial housing crisis accompanied with dire environmental problems, are stretched to the very limit of their tolerance, and view the gay pride thing as an insult to the very core of their beliefs.

Israel is facing an existential threat, and at the same time its democracy is especially threatened as the present, exceedingly corrupt leadership has lost the very respect of most of the citizenry. I'm afraid that the leaders that will emerge from what can be best described as a revolutionary situation, will be a lot worse than this Lieberman buffoon.
 

They "view" it as an insult to their religious beliefs? A gay pride parade in Jerusalem? What else is it intended to be? That's like saying Judah Maccabee "viewed" sacrificeing a pig in the temple as an insult to Judaism.
Tolerance is a two way street you know.

 
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Rasputin       11/30/2006 12:43:39 AM
In that case Avigdor Lieberman is an insult to be compared to Rasputin. After all Rasputin did say, he prefered women.

Avigdor Liberman should be Prince Yusopof instead, a prince that comes out in drag, and got rebuffed by Rasputin, and is then angry with Rasputin servicing his wife.

 
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Shirrush    Rasputin   11/30/2006 1:06:50 AM
Rasputin, where did I even hint about a link between Avigdog Doberman and the poofs?
I was just saying that the former is doubly repulsive for being a miscegenated son of Cossack rapists and a Pamyiat parrot, and for looking and sounding the part too, while the latter are merely irritating just about everybody here with their insistence on flouting their courtship rites and mating behaviors in public, which might be fun in a voyeurish way when it happens once, but is getting mighty tiresome after a while.

In the meantime, Avigdog has not made a single headline  since he joined the government, and it looks as if Olmert has been successful neutering a most vocal part of his opposition.
Jastayme, your analogy about the hogs in the Temple is most accurate, and reflects the indignation of the religious people here. You seem to have a profound understanding of the religious mind, but you should be aware that this is exactly the sort of "red line" that deepens the lack of understanding between the religious and the secular, and has the potential to tear a pluralistic society asunder.

 
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Rasputin       12/7/2006 10:40:02 AM
Well, whoever the cap fits in Israel let them wear it.

But are not those jews from Russia also the sons of Israel, since they have paid in blood, there should be someone to fight for their rights if they want to belive in the Son of God as their Messiah, and their rights to eat ice cream and pork both at the same time, then so be it, lest Israel be no different from Iran.
 
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Ezekiel    political-spectrum skewed in Israel   1/2/2007 11:54:35 AM
When ever there is a right wing politician in Israel the world always seems to cast them in a sardonic scary picture.... Going back to menachim Begin to Sharon, to now i guess Lieberman... First this evolves from the fact that in Israel there exist a left wing monopoly which is known that controls the establishment, it is known as the "steel triangle", the three tangents the left control are the media, justice system and academia. This triangle has existed since prel-state where Ben Gurion a bolshevik and his lot selectively chose which segments of Jewish populations would be smuggled into Israel, and by the 50's the labor party was a ruling party like Mexico until vincente fox finally brought down... this happened with the likud taht broke the labor hold in the mid 70's. But the monopoly still- has not been broken in the triangle. So Israel has a entrenched left which has evolved overtime into a radicallized left. The political of labor in the 50's cannot be compared to labor today. The point being because of this entrenched and radicalized l-eft, the political spectrum in Israel has become askew.... so if you are a nationalist then in Israel you're a uber nationalist. Lieberman isn't a crazy lunatic, but in Israel the media, academics and then backed up by the judiciary (which appoints themselves = no checks & balances) you have an equation that promotes this ideological- dogma that he's "fascist" "mad man" "extremist".... SO when the country media is saying it then it only makes sense that the world thinks it as well. You can't blame them can you? In my opinion Menachim Begin was the closest thing to a conservative in Israel and even he didn't symbolize a real rightwinger. Because the left is so far left in Israel, that a person in the right given the skewed spectrum is then considered extreme... The best indicator to know if one is left or right is whether they believe that land for peace is acceptable? if he says yes, he is generally left, if he/she says no they are right. Given all- this Kadima is not a center party they are left, labor is extreme left, Likud is the center party, NU/NRp is right and Herut would be extreme right. Though Israeli have become so indoctrinated within this political landscape that they would heavily disagree with me, I'm sure. But this is how I see it at least as an outsider looking in.
 
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Shirrush    Hetzkel: the Mickey-Mouse democracy of our Avocado Republic.   1/2/2007 6:02:11 PM
As I suspected, it appears that our endearing n00b Ezekiel is a fellow Izzie.
As expected, he also talks from his arse when it comes to politics, but since it is my own behind too I can't really flame him least I singe my body hair and nobody likes that smell.
As exemplified many more often than the every four years when we're supposed to elect our parliament that itself determines our government, we Israelis are sorry boors in everything vaguely reminiscent of a political culture, and one election after another is actually lost because of that, by the ones that are supposed to win it, the majority of the hardworking, law-abiding, and oh-so tax paying citizens.
The reason why we consistently elect a bunch of crooks, half-demented nitwits and professional serial blunderers is lost to me, but some smartasses tend to attribute this to the fact that we're a nation of immigrants, most of whom coming from places with absolutely no democratic tradition (does "Russia" ring a bell to you, Ras-Putin?).
In any case, in order to understand what Hetzkel meant in his previous post, it is known that the right-left scale of the political spectrum in Israel is a totally screwed up affair, and has been corrupted by the fact we've been at war with our neighbors and a lot of our own citizens too, for the almost 60 years  since we made the tragic but understandable mistake of becoming a nation-state.

Instead of the traditional, and universally accepted right -to-left axis that is built on a readiness-for-change basis, e.g. annihilationist to retrograde to conservative to modernist to reformist to revolutionary to anarchist to annihilationist, or on the somewhat obsolete economic ideology basis such as feodal to capitalistic to liberal to statist to socialist to collectivist to anarcho-feodal, we have something rather different. Our right to left axis is based on a purely wartime scale that goes from messianic/islamist-annihilationist to Jewish/Arab supremacist to nationalistic to peronista to patriotic-zionist to realist-zionist to post-zionist to "capitulazionist" to dhimmi-pacifist to collective suicide-annihilationist.

The Israeli left does not in fact exist anymore as one can easily discount the tiny minority of moonbats and gender-identity challenged pimply youths that you see at these leftist demos in Tel-Aviv, that usually go unnoticed owing to their inability to affect traffic or to attract the attention of more than one, token policeman.
I used to go there myself for LFP (Looking For Pu$$y) purposes since I still think that Leonard Cohen is a great writer, but I gave up long ago for lack of interest  and because of the scarcity of even marginally attractive heterosexual females at these  gatherings.

The right is fine, thank you. We have no such thing as a moderate conservative rightist here, since they have long since defected to what is in fact our embryonic bourgeois center, Qadima and Labor. What we have are a bunch of violent, evil apes that have no respect for anyone else's life, freedom, or property, and range from true-blood messianic fascists (fortunately, a not very popular, small minority- ugliness doesn't pay anymore.), that look and sound every bit like their counterparts of Hamas and Hizb-Allah (yup, Pamyat too when it's in Russian), except for a notably lesser propensity for mass-murder, to nationalistic crooks that further the interests of a few super-rich families with their ability to trick the poor and the ignorant with their hateful demagoguery. A good example of this is Ezekiel's post, that comes complete with the conspiracy theory about the leftist iron triangle. The crooks wag a finger of one of their hands in the direction of TAU professors, HaAretz journalists and the liberal Supreme Court judges, while all the fingers of their other hand are deep inside poor clueless Ezekiel's pocket!

At every election, the ordinary, down-to-earth interests and issues of the citizenry, such as the right to justice, a decent living in exchange of honest work, protection from hunger and need for the elderly and the weak, a reasonable measure of respect for human rights and basic liberties, the right not to die early from a poisonous environment, and all the rest of that boring stuff are swept away from the debate to be replaced by a purely "foreign policy", "ideology" and "us vs. them" discourse that is of course as detached from reality and useless as Olmert and Condi kissing up to the old terrorist Abbas . So you have the right pledging undying fidelity to the dismal, dry and Arab-ridden slopes of Judea-Samaria and to their own messianic, theocratic madness, and the left declaring their commitment to our own demise by accepting defeat without a fight, since there's nothing really worthy of fighting for.

Myself, I sometime wish we had a boringly moderate, peacefully debonnaire right such as the Christian-De
 
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Bigfella2    Shirrush - I like your style   1/3/2007 3:09:27 AM
Shirrush,
 
You are a man after my own heart. I don't know enough about the fine detail of Israeli poiltics to judge the accuracy of your statements, but I like the panache with which you make them. Bravo!
 
I must admit to having been more than a bit disturbed to discover that someone like Sharon was being seen as 'centrist'. Can't help but wonder if his brain was so disturbed by the thought it attempted an immediate evacuation. Of course, this left Israel in the hands of Ehud Olmert. Sigh! At least I now know for certain that smart & nasty trumps dumb any day (does anyone seriously believe Sharon would have invaded Lebanon over a kidnapping?).
 
Keep punching sir, I look forward to future posts.
 
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