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Subject: Thank you CIA!
Shirrush    12/4/2007 2:08:17 PM
Consternation in Jerusalem, celebrations in Tehran.
Or: after Vietnam, Taiwan, Japan, Lebanon, Ukraine, Georgia, and others, Israel finally understands what the US are worth as an ally.
 
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Shirrush    Selling us downriver...   12/4/2007 2:32:16 PM
As they did with most of their allies in the past.
Iran gets a pat on the shoulder from the US intel agencies along with the IAEA's certificate of compliance, and will now feel free to proceed with its genocidal plans.
When the Iranian bombs go off, the US intel will be able to admit: "we erred". They won't need to apologize to us Israelis, since there'll be none of us left alive.
They didn't bomb the railroads to Auschwitz when they could have, how could we have been so stupid as to expect them to do anything serious to prevent the next holocaust?

See the antisemites gloating "no American blood for the Zionists"?
 

 
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battar    Not your big brother.   12/4/2007 2:34:44 PM
The USA is an ally, not a big brother who is always there to look out for you if you get picked on in he schoolyard. I think there are limits - perhaps not fully understood in Jerusalem - as to how much you can expect from an ally. They do buy toys for the IDF, though.
 
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Shirrush       12/4/2007 2:53:22 PM
The US is an ally. Right.
There were also an ally of South Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos.
They could have stopped the Holocaust cold, with just a couple of bombing raids diverted from making the rubble bounce in Hamburg, to destroy the rail link to Auschwitz. Yet, they didn't.
Now, they're the only power with the firepower to terminate Iran's nuclear program. In one night of air strikes.
Yet, they won't. When the islamonazis have nukes, then, they'll deal with them. Maybe. For us, it'll be too late.

Have you arranged for an European passport yet, Battar?


 
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Herald1234    The CIA is a ratsnest.    12/4/2007 3:24:35 PM

The US is an ally. Right.
There were also an ally of South Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos.
They could have stopped the Holocaust cold, with just a couple of bombing raids diverted from making the rubble bounce in Hamburg, to destroy the rail link to Auschwitz. Yet, they didn't.
Now, they're the only power with the firepower to terminate Iran's nuclear program. In one night of air strikes.
Yet, they won't. When the islamonazis have nukes, then, they'll deal with them. Maybe. For us, it'll be too late.

Have you arranged for an European passport yet, Battar?



long overdue for cleaning out. Their recent incompetence is legendary. But if you really want to lay blame at the correct doorstep, it must go to the bozos who actually WRITE the National Intelligence Estimate. That would be the cretins at the National Security Council who wrote it for the National Intelligence Director.

CREF here for the actual estimate.

Look to your own defenses as best as you can. We, in America, will have our hands full with the leftist bastards who want to sell us out to the PRCs and the Saudis over the next eight years. 

Meanwhile..................

USA Today.

 
  
 
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Estimate of Iran changes, U.S. policy doesn't
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WASHINGTON — A new intelligence estimate that reverses previous U.S. claims that Iran is developing nuclear weapons will not change the Bush administration's policy of tough sanctions and diplomacy.

"That was our policy ? and that's our policy going forward," said Stephen Hadley, the president's national security adviser. "We have the right strategy."

REPORT SUMMARY: Read the NIE assessment

Iran ceased its secret nuclear weapons program in 2003 and has not resumed work toward building nuclear arms, a National Intelligence Estimate released Monday says. The estimate reverses claims the intelligence community made two years ago that Iran appeared "determined to develop" a nuclear weapons program.

The new estimate did not explain why the intelligence community did not know Iran had stopped its weapons program before the 2005 estimate was released.

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The estimate, reflecting the collective judgment of the nation's 16 intelligence agencies, also concludes that Tehran probably is "keeping open the option to develop nuclear weapons" by continuing to build missiles and pursue a civilian nuclear power program.

Iran, intelligence analysts concluded, halted weapons development in response to international scrutiny and the threat of increased sanctions.

U.S. officials are still trying to enlist more nations to bring sanctions against Iran. On Monday, Undersecretary of State Nicholas Burns said he met with Chinese officials to agree on key issues involved in imposing a third set of United Nations sanctions on Iran for continuing a nuclear weapons program.

Shortly after Burns' comments in Singapore, the intelligence community released its estimate saying Iran had stopped its nuclear weapons program in 2003.

Despite the differences from the 2005 analysis, intelligence officials thought it was important to set the record straight by making public that "our understanding of Iran's capabilities have changed," said Donald Kerr, deputy director of national intelligence.

Monday's estimate was a double "good news story," said Sen. Kit Bond of Missouri, the ranking Republican on the Senate Intelligence Committee.

"The intelligence community was willing to reconsider an important intelligence judgment," Bond said. "Iran doesn't appear to be currently working on a bomb."

Sen. Joseph Biden, D-Del., who chairs the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said the estimate undercuts the administration's "obsession with regime change and irresponsible talk of World War III." Last month, President Bush said the U.S. policy toward Iran was aimed at avoiding "World War III."

"The NIE makes clear that the right combination of pressure and positive incentives could prompt Tehran to extend the current halt to its nuclear weapons program," said Biden, a Democratic candidate for president.

Mordechai Kedar, who served in Israel's military intelligence for 25 years and is a researcher at the Begin-Sadat Center for Strategic Studies in Tel Aviv, said Israel's intelligence community disagrees with the latest estimate.

"This is a matter of interpretation of data. I do believe that the U.S. and Israel share the same data, but the dispute is about interpreting the data. ? Only a blind man cannot see their efforts to put a hand on a nuclear weapon. They are threatening the world."

Contributing: Charles Levinson

 
As I said, look to your defenses, we will be very busy over here.
 
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Shirrush       12/4/2007 4:13:58 PM
Thanks Herald for the link to the actual NIE.
The skinny for this amazingly shallow heap of platitudes is: we do not know who this Mr. J. Schitt may be, and we don't care a damn either.

Never mind that the US has had a clear-cut, undeniable casus belli with the Islamic Republic of Iran since the embassy hostage crisis of 1979, and that this regime has been killing Americans wholesale with total impunity ever since. Yet, Iran is not a threat, according to Mr. Plutarch on the US board.
Well, if I was Mr. Adolfpour Hitlerzadeh or Ayatullah Khamenei, I wouldn't need more proof than that to be convinced that it is the US which is not a threat, and I'd proceed without delay with my plans to take over the Gulf's and Iraq's oil resources, and to destroy Israel in order to assume the unassailable leadership of the Islamic world. After all, Persia's destiny has always been, is, and will be imperial.

 
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Pseudonym       12/5/2007 5:54:14 AM
Are you really surprised?

This is an election year, they would sell their own mother.

Indeed I would not doubt if many of them are indeed selling the values of their mother down the river for power.

They are not so much abandoning you as they are abandoning the USA.

Anyways, as has been pointed out, what is said and what is done are often two different things.

One is public, the other is black.

 
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nominoe       12/5/2007 5:59:47 AM

Consternation in Jerusalem, celebrations in Tehran.
Or: after Vietnam, Taiwan, Japan, Lebanon, Ukraine, Georgia, and others, Israel finally understands what the US are worth as an ally.

After bashing France on a daily basis, there you go with the USA. Shirrush, the USA have been an incredible ally of Israel. Y