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Subject: Thank you CIA!
Shirrush    12/4/2007 2:08:17 PM
Consternation in Jerusalem, celebrations in Tehran. Or: after Vietnam, Taiwan, Japan, Lebanon, Ukraine, Georgia, and others, Israel finally understands what the US are worth as an ally.
 
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Shirrush    Selling us downriver...   12/4/2007 2:32:16 PM
As they did with most of their allies in the past.
Iran gets a pat on the shoulder from the US intel agencies along with the IAEA's certificate of compliance, and will now feel free to proceed with its genocidal plans.
When the Iranian bombs go off, the US intel will be able to admit: "we erred". They won't need to apologize to us Israelis, since there'll be none of us left alive.
They didn't bomb the railroads to Auschwitz when they could have, how could we have been so stupid as to expect them to do anything serious to prevent the next holocaust?

See the antisemites gloating "no American blood for the Zionists"?
 

 
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battar    Not your big brother.   12/4/2007 2:34:44 PM
The USA is an ally, not a big brother who is always there to look out for you if you get picked on in he schoolyard. I think there are limits - perhaps not fully understood in Jerusalem - as to how much you can expect from an ally. They do buy toys for the IDF, though.
 
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Shirrush       12/4/2007 2:53:22 PM
The US is an ally. Right.
There were also an ally of South Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos.
They could have stopped the Holocaust cold, with just a couple of bombing raids diverted from making the rubble bounce in Hamburg, to destroy the rail link to Auschwitz. Yet, they didn't.
Now, they're the only power with the firepower to terminate Iran's nuclear program. In one night of air strikes.
Yet, they won't. When the islamonazis have nukes, then, they'll deal with them. Maybe. For us, it'll be too late.

Have you arranged for an European passport yet, Battar?


 
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Herald1234    The CIA is a ratsnest.    12/4/2007 3:24:35 PM

The US is an ally. Right.
There were also an ally of South Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos.
They could have stopped the Holocaust cold, with just a couple of bombing raids diverted from making the rubble bounce in Hamburg, to destroy the rail link to Auschwitz. Yet, they didn't.
Now, they're the only power with the firepower to terminate Iran's nuclear program. In one night of air strikes.
Yet, they won't. When the islamonazis have nukes, then, they'll deal with them. Maybe. For us, it'll be too late.

Have you arranged for an European passport yet, Battar?



long overdue for cleaning out. Their recent incompetence is legendary. But if you really want to lay blame at the correct doorstep, it must go to the bozos who actually WRITE the National Intelligence Estimate. That would be the cretins at the National Security Council who wrote it for the National Intelligence Director.

CREF here for the actual estimate.

Look to your own defenses as best as you can. We, in America, will have our hands full with the leftist bastards who want to sell us out to the PRCs and the Saudis over the next eight years. 

Meanwhile..................

USA Today.

 
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Shirrush       12/4/2007 4:13:58 PM
Thanks Herald for the link to the actual NIE.
The skinny for this amazingly shallow heap of platitudes is: we do not know who this Mr. J. Schitt may be, and we don't care a damn either.

Never mind that the US has had a clear-cut, undeniable casus belli with the Islamic Republic of Iran since the embassy hostage crisis of 1979, and that this regime has been killing Americans wholesale with total impunity ever since. Yet, Iran is not a threat, according to Mr. Plutarch on the US board.
Well, if I was Mr. Adolfpour Hitlerzadeh or Ayatullah Khamenei, I wouldn't need more proof than that to be convinced that it is the US which is not a threat, and I'd proceed without delay with my plans to take over the Gulf's and Iraq's oil resources, and to destroy Israel in order to assume the unassailable leadership of the Islamic world. After all, Persia's destiny has always been, is, and will be imperial.

 
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Pseudonym       12/5/2007 5:54:14 AM
Are you really surprised?

This is an election year, they would sell their own mother.

Indeed I would not doubt if many of them are indeed selling the values of their mother down the river for power.

They are not so much abandoning you as they are abandoning the USA.

Anyways, as has been pointed out, what is said and what is done are often two different things.

One is public, the other is black.

 
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nominoe       12/5/2007 5:59:47 AM

Consternation in Jerusalem, celebrations in Tehran.
Or: after Vietnam, Taiwan, Japan, Lebanon, Ukraine, Georgia, and others, Israel finally understands what the US are worth as an ally.

After bashing France on a daily basis, there you go with the USA. Shirrush, the USA have been an incredible ally of Israel. You are very ungrateful here. Ask yourself, what israel is worth as an ally? what israel ever did for another country? Or do you imagine that the whole world should be commited to serve Israel without anything in return?
Maybe the CIA is right this time. What if the USA attack ANOTHER Country for inexistant nukes?

Bombing Iran would be a real mess for the world economy. The cure could be worse than the threat, even for Israel, especially since we have no proof of any threat. Maybe you don't care about economy, but the world goes beyond the state of israel.
 
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jastayme3       12/5/2007 5:20:47 PM

The NIE did not say Iran was not developing nukes. It said Iran has likly ceased working on the project at the present time, for reasons unknown. This is given in Stromata Blog, which is no particular friend of Iran:

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The Reality and the Surreality of the NIE

For purposes of this post, I judge, with moderate confidence, that the National Intelligence Estimate ? Iran: Nuclear Intentions and Capabilities represents the good faith conclusions of apolitical professionals. Your judgment may vary.

The most informative way to read this document is to arrange its ?key judgments? in order of the intelligence community?s degree of confidence, to wit ?

High Confidence

  • ?[I]n fall 2003, Tehran halted its nuclear weapons program.?

  • ?[T]he halt, and Tehran?s announcement of its decision to suspend its declared uranium enrichment program and sign an Additional Protocol to its Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty Safeguards Agreement, was directed primarily in response to increasing international scrutiny and pressure resulting from exposure of Iran?s previously undeclared nuclear work.?

  • ?[T]he halt lasted at least several years.?

  • ?[U]ntil fall 2003, Iranian military entities were working under government direction to develop nuclear weapons.?

  • ?[S]ince fall 2003, Iran has been conducting research and development projects with commercial and conventional military applications—some of which would also be of limited use for nuclear weapons.?

  • Iran has not yet ?produce[d] sufficient amounts of fissile material indigenously? to ?have nuclear weapons?.

  • ?Iran will not be technically capable of producing and reprocessing enough plutonium for a weapon before about 2015.?

  • ?Iran has the scientific, technical and industrial capacity eventually to produce nuclear weapons if it decides to do so.?

Moderate-to-High Confidence

  • ?Tehran at a minimum is keeping open the option to develop nuclear weapons.?

  • ?Iran does not currently have a nuclear weapon.?

  • Iran ?has not obtained enough [fissile material] for a nuclear weapon.?

Moderate Confidence

  • ?[T]he halt to those activities represents a halt to Iran's entire nuclear weapons program.?

  • ?Tehran had not restarted its nuclear weapons program as of mid-2007.?

  • ?[T]he earliest possible date Iran would be technically capable of producing enough HEU for a weapon is late 2009, but that this is very unlikely.?

  • ?Iran probably would be technically capable of producing enough HEU for a weapon sometime during the 2010-2015 time frame.?

  • Iran ?still faces significant technical problems operating? its centrifuges.

  • ?[C]onvincing the Iranian leadership to forgo the eventual development of nuclear weapons will be difficult given the linkage many within the leadership probably see between nuclear weapons development and Iran?s key national security and foreign policy objectives, and given Iran?s considerable effort from at least the late 1980s to 2003 to develop such weapons.

  • ?Iran probably would use covert facilities—rather than its declared nuclear sites—for the production of highly enriched uranium for a weapon.?

Low Confidence

  • ?Iran probably has imported at least some weapons-usable fissile material.

Unable to Form a Judgment

  • ?[W]e do not know whether [Tehran] currently intends to develop nuclear weapons.?

  • ?We do not have sufficient intelligence to judge confidently whether Tehran is willing to maintain the halt of its nuclear weapons program indefinitely while it weighs its options, or whether it will or already has set specific deadlines or criteria that will prompt it to restart the program.?

A sober, realistic reading

 
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